Unveiling of Full Preterism

[Montana Marv]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Wong understanding. Much study is needed.

The Most Holy Place was the Temple after the exile.

And yes, "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased". Yeshua's anointing from the Most High.
Later, after Pentecost when the Risen Lord sent the Spirit, the New Temple was formed (His Body) and the gentiles AND Jews were now a part of that temple according to the apostle. The old covenant was destroyed by the Owner of the vineyard (70AD) (see the parable). And the New Covenant ("this is my body and blood" etc.) was enacted just before Yeshua's crucifixion. Everything was put under the Lord's feet after His ascension and He is preeminent over all creation. "All power has been given to me..". He is seated at the right had of God as our High Priest and King. We are 'the sons of God' that are seated with Him in heavenly places. We are Kings and Priests on the earth and His hands and feet in spreading the Gospel. We are the 'seed' of the new Israel which incorporates all believers. We are Abraham's seed says the apostle.

Jesus who is the Word, the Scripture has revealed that Daniels People, and Daniels holy city (look again- you misquoted Scripture, not the Temple) are to fulfill six tasks, and one of them is to anoint Jesus Christ as their King, for His kingship is through King David. The 70 Sevens are given for Daniels People, and Daniels holy city, Jerusalem TO;  Please read on.  Don't insert anyone or anything in place of Daniels People, or Daniels holy city.  Then one has mislabeled True Scripture and its intent.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Here we go; I hope this perks some interest.

Full Preterism is either 100 percent truth or 100 percent a false doctrine.  Rev was either written before 70 AD as they suggest or written between 90 and 96 AD as most others believe.

Here is the problem.  If it is the Truth as some say.  Those who believe in 80% of what a Full Preterists believes in, they are 20% away from the Truth; while in other cases, those who believe in 20% of what a Full Preterist believes in they are now 80% away from the Truth.   The 80% are 20% in denial from the Truth, while the 20% are 80% in denial from the Truth.

Another look:  If it is totally a false doctrine or belief, The 80% believers are now 80% away from the Truth, while the 20% are now 80% closer to the Truth.

One should either fully embrace Full Preterism as Truth of Fully embrace it as a False Doctrine.  No in between ground.

Jesus in Rev 3:15 - I know your deeds, that you are neither cold or hot.  I wish you were either one or the other. v16 - So because you are lukewarm, neither hot or cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Either all prophecy was fulfilled in or about 70 AD as a Full Preterist believes, or there is much much more prophecy yet to be fulfilled.  Were most of the events of Rev fulfilled in or about 70 AD, or are they reserved for a later date.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I do not support preterism in any form. 

[Diaste]

16 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Wong understanding. Much study is needed.

The Most Holy Place was the Temple after the exile.

And yes, "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased". Yeshua's anointing from the Most High.
Later, after Pentecost when the Risen Lord sent the Spirit, the New Temple was formed (His Body) and the gentiles AND Jews were now a part of that temple according to the apostle. The old covenant was destroyed by the Owner of the vineyard (70AD) (see the parable). And the New Covenant ("this is my body and blood" etc.) was enacted just before Yeshua's crucifixion. Everything was put under the Lord's feet after His ascension and He is preeminent over all creation. "All power has been given to me..". He is seated at the right had of God as our High Priest and King. We are 'the sons of God' that are seated with Him in heavenly places. We are Kings and Priests on the earth and His hands and feet in spreading the Gospel. We are the 'seed' of the new Israel which incorporates all believers. We are Abraham's seed says the apostle.

It's this kind of stuff that just pushes the boundaries of reason to the breaking point. No matter what one believes personally Jesus is God and always has been. Jesus didn't become God from the time of the ascension, nor was He only preeminent after. Such a thing leads to wrong thinking clouding reasonable conclusions. 

Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

 Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.

 Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

So absolutely not was Jesus only endowed with all power and authority after some point in His earthly ministry when He says of Himself that He is the creator and the Alpha and Omega. 

“I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god."

‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.'

'Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one.'

Yes Jesus has been given all power and authority by the Father, but that was from the beginning, in pre-time existence, or this "Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." would not be possible. The view of the deity of Christ and His preexistent divinity in power and authority is in itself the rejection of preterism and amillennialism.

 

[Justin Adams]

Study more. "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone." 

If one cannot accept that Yeshua came in the flesh and died, then John says anathema.

No one dare to say Yeshua EVER lost His Divinity. Straw man there and typical ad hominin.

Edited June 12, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Alive]

Its good to keep in mind the two tiers of Messianic prophecy when considering these things. The suffering servant sacrificial Lamb as well as the Triumphant King, as they are both equally real.

We see both all through the OT scriptures and they run side by side.

[Montana Marv]

On 6/11/2021 at 10:52 AM, Justin Adams said:

The Most Holy Place was the Temple after the exile.

After exile there was no temple.  Matt 24:2 - referring to the temple.  Not one stone here will be left on another; everyone will be thrown down.  The Roman army fulfilled this prophecy in 70ad. When the temple was burning, gold was melting out of it and the solders tore the building apart to get to this gold.  Dan 9:26b - The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood. War will continue until the end and desolation's have been decreed.

On 6/11/2021 at 10:52 AM, Justin Adams said:

The old covenant was destroyed by the Owner of the vineyard (70AD

The Most Holy Place was gone after the veil tore in two at the death of Jesus.  The Old Covenant died here at this time, not 70AD.  He became the mediator between God and MAN, The high priest no longer needed to go in there once a year.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Montana Marv]

Just saw on a You Tube channel, Monkey Werx, somethings very interesting.

New to me; Israel has now been able to produce a pure/the purist olive oil which will be used in the lighting of the Menorah in the New Temple.

New to me; There has been a blue snail now washing up the their beaches (gone for over 1700 years) which has a specific dye which is used in the coloring of wardrobes for Levite Priests.

And then they are still breeding animals to obtain Red Heifers without blemish, the ashes of which will dedicate the New Temple.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

7 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Oooo... where'd you get those numbers? Someone do an analysis of what has and hasn't been fulfilled? Got a link?

 

There is a very simple way of figuring out most of what's done and what remains: draw a line vertically down the middle of a piece of paper and on one side list all the texts that speak of the last days plural and on the other side list all the texts that speak of the last day singular. The last days began in the first century during the NT era. The last day has yet to occur. There shouldn't be any dispute on this. There may be disagreement over when the last days ended, but there cannot be any dispute over when they began, nor that the last day singular has yet to happen. 

Just accept them as fact.  If you want to link them you can.  Hundreds of prophecies relating just to the birth, Ministry and death of Jesus.  And all fulfilled, no question.

Daniel 12:13 - As for you (Daniel), go your way till the end.  You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.  The Land.  Yet to be fulfilled.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

40 minutes ago, Josheb said:

So the answer to my question is either you don't know where those numbers originate or they were imagined. Got it. Thx

 

You do understand believing 80% of prophecy is fulfilled makes you a partial-preterist, yes?

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Josheb said:

So the answer to my question is either you don't know where those numbers originate or they were imagined. Got it. Thx

 

You do understand believing 80% of prophecy is fulfilled makes you a partial-preterist, yes?

 

 

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Doubt it.  Full Preterists believe all prophecy has been fulfilled. I am a futurist.  20% of prophecy is yet to be fulfilled, and it will in the future.  Get the difference.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Marathoner]

39 minutes ago, Josheb said:

You do understand believing 80% of prophecy is fulfilled makes you a partial-preterist, yes?

But... but... you just ruined everything, Josh. Unleashed-the-spoiler-like-a-wrecking-ball kind of ruin. 

Yep, anyone who believes that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is by definition a partial preterist. The Gospel of Matthew is preterist because the Lord demonstrates how His coming in the flesh fulfilled scripture!