The Intellect Verses The Heart

[Guest clancy]

John 2:8

 

The wind blows where ever it pleases.

You can’t hear its sound,but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.

So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

As I have explained enoob, the Holy Spirit is Alive and active, he is everywhere.

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

Yes, as His mercies are renewed each day the Lord renews our mind each day. We walk in the Spirit just as the Lord ordained for us to do --- this is that work God established for us before the foundation of the world --- and we are nothing in and of ourselves. We see darkly and know only in part: all of us, simple or otherwise. 

Gifts and talents are an entirely different matter, sister. There are talents which the Lord saw fit to bestow upon us in the womb and then there are gifts which the Spirit of the Lord is pleased to give to us while we walk with Him. Our talents serve the Body just as these gifts edify us all. For example, some are talented with words and others receive His gift of discernment.

As for myself, my place is to serve my neighbor and so the Lord in His wisdom refines me in the crucible of suffering. The Lord encourages me in a mighty way and so it's my honor and joy to encourage you all in the same way. 

Walking in His Spirit is what it's all about. Praise the Lord!

I am not sure natural talents/abilities are the same as spiritual gifts.  However we can make use of our natural abilities in helping others and showing God's love to others or just for solving the practical problems of life.  Natural abilities are useful in the natural realm for practical things but it's usefulness in the spiritual realm seems to be greatly called into question by God.....the natural man receiveth not the things of God....the carnal mind is enmity with God and not able to be subject to His law.  I think these are the things that we are wanting to sort out with this subject.

God's strength is perfected in our weakness, not in our strengths....and this doesn't mean we are to be anti-intellectual or anti-whatever natural strengths a person has, but I think we need to understand the limitations of what is natural when it comes to the kingdom of God and spiritual things.  We are not to lean on our own understanding.  God's thoughts are not our thoughts, His ways are not man's ways....there are so many scriptures that point us away from the natural man and to Almighty God. 

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

There is no other foundation for them that are in Christ Jesus than His Word period... that is the witness of Scripture...

The Lord Jesus Christ himself is the foundation.

 1 Cor. 3:11 (KJV) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Yes, of course the Bible contains foundational teaching about him; but, He is the foundation from which that foundational teaching comes.

Christianity is a loving, trusting relationship with the Lord, not merely reading and accepting truths found in Scripture.

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, clancy said:

John 2:8

 

The wind blows where ever it pleases.

You can’t hear its sound,but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.

So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

As I have explained enoob, the Holy Spirit is Alive and active, he is everywhere.

like I have said there is no foundation other than Scripture 
 

John 1:1-14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV
 

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

but I think we need to understand the limitations of what is natural when it comes to the kingdom of God and spiritual things. 

Perhaps a specific example can be given where what is proposed can be illustrated where one is absent of the other? Accent on 'spiritual things'.

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The Lord Jesus Christ himself is the foundation.

 1 Cor. 3:11 (KJV) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Yes, of course the Bible contains foundational teaching about him; but, He is the foundation from which that foundational teaching comes.

Christianity is a loving, trusting relationship with the Lord, not merely reading and accepting truths found in Scripture.

You cannot divide out God from His Word since the beginning... John 1
 

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

You cannot divide out God from His Word since the beginning... John 1
 

The Bible is not God...

[enoob57]

It was the tactic in the very beginning
Gen 3:1
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
KJV

Gen 2:16-17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV
 

Gen 3:4

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
KJV
 I love the simple Truth of God from His Word and teach my children this-> do all people die? Guess it's God's Word we can rely on then isn't it...

[enoob57]

4 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The Bible is not God...

It is His Word as He claimed it as such and like I have already stated God has stated it so
 

John 12:48-50

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
KJV
 

John 17:1-20

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV
 

People can read for themselves and make up their own minds on this matter... I have!

[Guest clancy]

9 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The Bible is not God...

Amen!!!.....Brilliant!!..HALLELUJAH!!!