Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

[DeighAnn]

41 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

One should be prepared as we speak (the five wise were).  No future preparations are needed for the Believer, only the unwise need future preparations.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hebrews 11:17  By faith has offered up Abraham Isaac.  Being tested even [his] only begotten son was offered up the [one] the promises having received

18 as to whom it was said "In Isaac will be reckoned your offspring"

19 having reasoned that even out from [the] dead to raise, able [was] God from where him also in simile, he received

20 

24 By faith Moses grown having become REFUSED to be called son of daughter of Pharaoh

25 RATHER HAVING CHOSEN TO SUFFER AFFLICTION WITH THE PEOPLE OF GOD, than the temporary to have of sin enjoyment

26  greater wealth having esteemed than the of Egypt treasures the reproach of Christ; HE WAS LOOKING FOR TOWARD THE REWARD

27 By faith he left Egypt, not having feared the anger of the king; the for INVISIBLE [ONE] AS SEEING, HE PERSEVERED

28 By faith he has kept the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that not the destroying the firstborn would touch them

29  By faith they passed through the Red Sea as through dry land which an attempt having made the Egyptians were swallowed up

32  And what more shall I say?  Will fail me for telling the time, of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David also and Samuel, and the prophets, 


WHAT IS GOD CAPABLE OF CAUSING TO TAKE PLACE?  
 

33 who BY FAITH CONQUERED KINGDOMS, ADMINISTERED JUSTICE, obtained promises, shut mouths of lions,

34 quenched power of fire, escaped mouths of sword, acquired strength out of weakness, became mighty in war, armies put to flight of foreigners

35 Received back women by resurrection the dead of them, OTHERS THEN WERE TORTURED NOT HAVING ACCEPTED RELEASE SO THAT A BETTER RESURRECTION THEY MIGHT OBTAIN

36 OTHERS THEN OF MOCKINGS AND OF SCOURGINGS TRIAL RECEIVED, IN ADDITION ALSO OF CHAINS AND IMPRISONMENT

37 THEY WERE STONED THEY WERE TRIED THEY WERE SAWED IN TWO BY SLAUGHTER OF SWORD THEY WERE KILLED, THEY WANDERED IN SHEEPSKINS IN GOAT SKINS, BEING DESTITUTE, BEING OPPRESSED, BEING MISTREATED

38 of whom not was worthy the world; in deserts wandering and mountains, and caves, and holes of the earth

39 And THESE ALL having been commended through the faith not did receive the promise

40 GOD FOR US BETTER SOMETHING HAVING PLANNED SO THAT NOT APART FROM US THEY SHOULD BE MADE PERFECT


AND WHY are we given all of that?

Therefore also we, such a great having encompassing us a cloud of witnesses, weight having laid aside every, and the easily entangling sin, with endurance should run they lying before us race.  

2 looking to the of faith founder and perfecter Jesus WHO IN VIEW OF THE LYING BEFORE HIM JOY, 

ENDURED THE CROSS, [ITS] SHAME HAVING DESPISED, at right hand and of the throne of God sat down.  

3  CONSIDER FULLY, 

FOR THE ONE SUCH GREAT HAVING ENDURED FROM SINNERS AGAINST HIMSELF HOSTILITY 

SO THAT NOT YOU SHALL GROW WEARY IN THE SOULS OF YOU FAINTING

4 NOT YET UNTO BLOOD HAVE YOU RESISTED AGAINST SIN STRUGGLING

5 and you have forgotten the exhortation that you as to sons addresses:

Son of Me, not regard lightly [the] discipline of [the] Lord, nor faint by Him being reproved

6 WHOM FOR HE LOVES [THE] LORD DISCIPLINES, He scourges now every son whom He receives.

7 As discipline endure as sons you is treating God what for son [is there] whom not disciplines [his] father?

8 If however without you are of discipline of which partakers THEY HAVE BECOME ALL

THEN ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN AND NOT SONS YOU ARE
 

[DeighAnn]

23 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

If the Holy Spirit has not already prepared you for these tribulations to come, one better then start putting of the full armor of God on then.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And you can be sure the HOLY SPIRIT isn't telling anyone to put on a wedding dress.

[DeighAnn]

55 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

One should be prepared as we speak (the five wise were).  No future preparations are needed for the Believer, only the unwise need future preparations.

In Christ

Montana Marv

ITS the UNWISE who run out IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT to buy some MORE,



while those with enough oil  JUST SIT BACK AND WAIT.  


And then the two witnesses are killed.  And heaven opens up, and the FOOLISH are seen trying to find a mountain to fall on them.  

But the wise, those who KEPT THEIR LAMPS LIT without TAKING THE MARK OF THE BEAST,

will be the alive and remaining who will be changed as the LORDS DAY BEGINS.  

Just LIKE IT IS WRITTEN.  

 

[DeighAnn]

IF CHRIST CAME TODAY, how would he know WHO HAD ENOUGH OIL AND WHO DIDN'T?



The ONLY TIME the parable makes ANY SENSE is

WHEN GOING OUT TO BUY causes a problem.  Everyone is out getting oil today.  How do you tell who had extra oil from who didn't have enough?  

It isn't the middle of the night right now. 

WHEN DOES THE BRIDEGROOM COME?  MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 

 WAY PAST PRE TRIB,  even PAST MID TRIB

The whole story is based IN THE NIGHT. 

Lamps and oil are not needed in the day.  

Just like everything else, it makes no sense and doesn't follow the precepts given us of Gods Plan.  

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

  5 hours ago,  Montana Marv said: 

Who says that the Last Trumpet is the 7th Trumpet.

The book of Revelation

You always talk about "what is written", so please show WHERE in Revelation where the last trumpet is the 7th trumpet.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

WE HAVE BEEN divinely instructed by WHAT IS WRITTEN

See what I mean?

[Montana Marv]

54 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

And you can be sure the HOLY SPIRIT isn't telling anyone to put on a wedding dress.

Same thing 

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Montana Marv]

42 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

IF CHRIST CAME TODAY, how would he know WHO HAD ENOUGH OIL AND WHO DIDN'T?



The ONLY TIME the parable makes ANY SENSE is

WHEN GOING OUT TO BUY causes a problem.  Everyone is out getting oil today.  How do you tell who had extra oil from who didn't have enough?  

It isn't the middle of the night right now. 

WHEN DOES THE BRIDEGROOM COME?  MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 

 WAY PAST PRE TRIB,  even PAST MID TRIB

The whole story is based IN THE NIGHT. 

Lamps and oil are not needed in the day.  

Just like everything else, it makes no sense and doesn't follow the precepts given us of Gods Plan.  

He comes at the last moment. At or by the last minute of the last hour. Slumber time. Midnight here maybe noon elsewhere. So he will take his bride away before Midnight Jerusalem time or noonish our time. So your point is mute.

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[DeighAnn]

28 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

He comes at the last moment. At or by the last minute of the last hour. Slumber time. Midnight here maybe noon elsewhere. So he will take his bride away before Midnight Jerusalem time or noonish our time. So your point is mute.

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

Doesn't matter what it is like anywhere else in the whole wide world.  It's for spiritual understanding, not an order of events.  IT IS A PARABLE. 

WHERE CHRIST COMES it is midnight.  It is DARK, it has been DARK FOR AWHILE 

The night IS OF Satan. 

All the virgins are here in the NIGHT.  

All the rest are excuses for why YET ANOTHER THING really doesn't work or fit with WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

 

Therefore also we, such a great having encompassing us a cloud of witnesses, weight having laid aside every, and the easily entangling sin, with endurance should run they lying before us race.  

It's GODS PLAN.  He knows the race lying before us.  Every example we are given PROMISES us tribulation.  

Would you consider being SAWN in half 'tribulation' or 'great tribulation'?  

 

2 looking to the of faith founder and perfecter Jesus who in view of the lying before Him joy, ENDURED the cross [its] shame having despised, at right hand and of the throne of God sat down.  

3 CONSIDER FULLY, for the one such great having endured from sinners against Himself hostility so that not you shall grow weary in the souls of you fainting

Faith in the power of GOD and HIS PLAN.  


The ONLY REASON there is a RAPTURE when He returns is WE SHALL NOT ALL DIE.  

when ALL (all, that would be all who are LEFT, all who are ALIVE, all who REMAIN) 

have been CHANGED.

The whole world doesn't end and then begin again, the age ends, and the world continues on. 


 

There IS NO ONE LEFT UNCHANGED.   

So, WHO IS LEFT BEHIND when there is no one left to leave behind?  



 

[Montana Marv]

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Would you consider being SAWN in half 'tribulation' or 'great tribulation'?  

tribulation, just as death by boiling water, being crucified upside down, stoned, having your family members being killed one by one in front of you unless you renounce Jesus Christ.  All promised.  And just one segment of people, the Church.

Yet the Great Tribulation; Peace taken from the earth, Famine, Famine, Plague, wild beasts kill 1/4th of mankind, the sky receded like a scroll, 1/3 of earth burned up. 1/3 of sea turns to blood, 200 million troops kill 1/3rd of mankind. All the seas turn to blood, all sea creatures die, etc, etc.

tribulation affects people.  The Great Tribulation affects the earth and those on the earth.  All peoples.

In Christ

Montana Marv