History Beyond Heresy

[Diaste]

On the eve of destruction? With the city surrounded by Roman troops?

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

If you’ve studied first century history, you’re probably familiar with the story about the followers of Christ who fled from Judea to Pella just before the Jewish-Roman War began in AD 66. The story of their flight was told by early church leaders including Eusebius (AD 263-339), Epiphanius (AD 315-403), and Remigius (AD 437-533) – and perhaps also by Josephus (Wars 2.14.2, 2.20.1). They obeyed the words of Jesus (Matthew 24:15-21, Mark 13:14-19, Luke 21:20-23) and were protected in the wilderness for 3.5 years (Revelation 12:14). 

You are mistaken; They obeyed the words of Jesus in Matt 24: 15-21.  Jesus says when you see standing in the holy place the A/D spoken by the prophet Daniel, you are to flee.  You have some group of people leaving over 3 years before they are to leave.  Follow the instructions

3 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Symeon is mentioned in Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 as one of Christ’s brothers (and also referred to in I Corinthians 9:5). However, The Pulpit Commentary explains why he was believed to be Jesus’ cousin rather than His brother:

Which is it.  What Scripture says or the However part.  Now you are running amok with someones thesis.  However.  Did God really say do not eat of the fruit. However

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

(“The Jews in Their Land in the Talmudic Age [AD 70-640], 1980, p. 446; quoting from Alexander Monachus, De Inventione Sanctae Crucis, p. 87, III, 4044-4045, published in 1620).

What about all the other Jews who were scattered and sent into captivity by the Romans to many, many nations.  They begin returning in May of 1948, and since that time.

Here you are substituting the Scattered nation of Israel with some early Jewish believers.  Not the same.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Guest clancy]

31 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

 

  However.  Did God really say do not eat of the fruit. However

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Just came into this thread... I love asking questions, can you please explain what you are saying here?

Many thanks...?

 

 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, clancy said:

Just came into this thread... I love asking questions, can you please explain what you are saying here?

Many thanks...?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

  4 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Symeon is mentioned in Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 as one of Christ’s brothers (and also referred to in I Corinthians 9:5). However, The Pulpit Commentary explains why he was believed to be Jesus’ cousin rather than His brother:

Here is the However I am referring to Above.  Comparing Scripture and then saying However in direct to opposition of stated Scripture.  A brother now becomes a cousin.

Did God really say;  However

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, clancy said:

Just came into this thread... I love asking questions, can you please explain what you are saying here?

Many thanks...?

 

 

Hi there, Clancy …. So in other words, God never told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil….
This is what God actually said:

Genesis 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Hope this helps. 

[Guest clancy]

Genesis 3:2-4

The fall of man.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.He said to the woman,” Did God really say,You must not eat from any tree in the garden?

The woman said to the serpent,

We May eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say ,

You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.

 

To me, you will  die...means spiritual death, cut off from God....

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by clancy

[Montana Marv]

Preterists seem to do a lot of substituting when they cannot believe in a literal translation. example: Israel (Daniels People) becomes the Church. Suggesting 2 temples in 70AD.  There is only One Temple Mount, thus only One Temple. They will quote Scripture, then say however, in direct opposition to said Scripture. They will use history to prove a point, yet their history does not match the outcome of said prophecy.  Matt 24:15 is stated to be Christians leaving 3 years earlier than the prophecy states and being relocated out of harms way. What is to be on a temple mount; a Temple. Empty at this time.  Maybe instead of delving to much into the past, one should look what is going on Now in Israel.  The Temple Institute will give some clue on what the Nation of Israel is presently looking at.  And that ain't good for Preterist doctrine.  Israel and Preterists are at odds.  Who do you want to believe?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Justin Adams]

All straw man and ad holmium stuff. I see no quotes and I have given loads.

The more we fuss, the weaker our position is demonstrated to be. 

I do not care for eschatology, especially the false darby narratives.

[Montana Marv]

53 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

All straw man and ad holmium stuff. I see no quotes and I have given loads.

The more we fuss, the weaker our position is demonstrated to be. 

I do not care for eschatology, especially the false darby narratives.

Look about 10 posts up. My response to the paste job you did. Most all your quotes were debunked.  Your Pulpit commentary. however, brothers are now cousins.  Believers leaving 3 years before the stated time of the A/D.  If you not care for eschatology, Why are you here.  The nation of Israel is eschatology.  And I do not care for False History.  False timelines, False comparisons. Substitution Theology.  All of which are encompassed by Preterists.  Gentry, Simmons, Stuart, all with scales over their eyes.  Very little happened in 70 AD, get over it. 

Not straw man, not ad holmium stuff. Just against what some peddle around here.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

ad holmium

I just have to say that that is a wonderful auto-correct!