Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

[ENOCH2010]

Hello brothers and sisters,

Since the forums got a little jumbled, I decided to go ahead and start a few new threads. This thread is the defense of the mid-trib rapture theological position.

Why do you believe in a mid trib rapture?

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

George

I believe the rapture can happen after the first few martyrs refuse the mark of the beast, since they are shown clearly as being among the FIRST RESURRECTION..............since Paul says we will not procede the dead in Christ.........they must be resurrected First

Curious , Just exactly by definition , what do you think a rapture is and why is one used?

set aside any timing of 'when' it should happen and focus on precisely what it is and what its purpose is .

Since there are already untold millions of people who are already dead in Christ ,,there is no requirement for the people who refuse the mark of the beast to take place before the rapture can happen as there is no scripture that states the mark of the beast has to be implemented before the rapture can happen, as Paul has only stated that before Jesus returns to earth the son of perdition must be revealed.

Getting back to the 'why' the rapture happens, how do you define what a rapture is ?

Why is there such an event , what purpose do you believe it is for?

scripture is clear that when it happens believer go UP into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air and NO people see it happen

At Jesus 2nd coming he seen by many people coming to earth

and as I said in the other thread we need to agree on how many resurrections there are

I believe in two

the first is the resurrection of all who died since Christ

and second resurrection all who ever lived on earth

if you agree then we can procede

The pre-trib doctrine has to add another resurrection to go along with the secret rapture that they claim happens before the first resurrection. Should we call it the pre-first resurrection, resurrection?

[Montana Marv]

back2thebible

What about your post First Resurrection resurection.

When do those who are born during the Mill receive their First Resurrection bodies.

Why does Christ need to rule the 1000 years with a rod of iron? Who does He need to correct?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[rollinTHUNDER]

What about your post First Resurrection resurection.

When do those who are born during the Mill receive their First Resurrection bodies?

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi Marv,

Interesting question.

But how do you know they will receive resurrection bodies? How do you even know they will die?

With Satan locked away for 1000 years, the world will no longer be under the curse of sin and death. Satan will no longer have dominion. I would assume that Christ will restore all things as they were before the time when Adam and Eve fell in the garden. Death didn't even exist until they disobeyed God.

[Montana Marv]

What about your post First Resurrection resurection.

When do those who are born during the Mill receive their First Resurrection bodies?

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi Marv,

Interesting question.

But how do you know they will receive resurrection bodies? How do you even know they will die?

With Satan locked away for 1000 years, the world will no longer be under the curse of sin and death. Satan will no longer have dominion. I would assume that Christ will restore all things as they were before the time when Adam and Eve fell in the garden. Death didn't even exist until they disobeyed God.

Rolling Thunder

Do Christains taken alive in the Rapture receive new bodies, Yes. All mankind will participate in either: 1. the First Resurrection (which is for all the righteous) or 2. The Second Resurrection (which is for all the unrighteous and the fallen angels). No other choices. Do you have one?

Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time. Scripture only says the Bride of Christ or Church goes first into the First Resurrection.

Rev 20:5 - (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the First Resurrection.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[rollinTHUNDER]

What about your post First Resurrection resurection.

When do those who are born during the Mill receive their First Resurrection bodies?

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi Marv,

Interesting question.

But how do you know they will receive resurrection bodies? How do you even know they will die?

With Satan locked away for 1000 years, the world will no longer be under the curse of sin and death. Satan will no longer have dominion. I would assume that Christ will restore all things as they were before the time when Adam and Eve fell in the garden. Death didn't even exist until they disobeyed God.

Do Christains taken alive in the Rapture receive new bodies, Yes. All mankind will participate in either: 1. the First Resurrection (which is for all the righteous) or 2. The Second Resurrection (which is for all the unrighteous and the fallen angels). No other choices. Do you have one?

But your question was about those born in the millennium, "When do those who are born during the Mill receive their First Resurrection bodies?"

Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time.

Correct, everyone will go in their own order. But scripture mentions nothing about a resurrection for the ones who are born in the millennium. Do you have a biblical answer for that?

Scripture only says the Bride of Christ or Church goes first into the First Resurrection.

Rev 20:5 - (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the First Resurrection.

I believe you had it right the first time. The first resurrection is for all of the righteous, which also includes the Old Testement saints and the prophets as well, not just the church or New Testament believers.

[back2thebible]

~ Well people say I'm Mid-Trib.

As I believe "The Great Multitude" who'll stand before The Lamb in white;

with Palms n hand before The Throne, to be "The Marriage 0f The Lamb".

Rev.7:9

They come out of The Great Tribulation.

But I don't know for sure if this is Mid-Trib.

thats because you equate the multitude as being resurrected, we see in Revelations 6:9-11 the martyrs who are waiting to be resurrected are given a white robe and are told to wait a little longer

so just because a saint is in heaven with the Lord wearing a white robe does not mean they have been transformed in their resurrected bodies yet.

they are just the dead in Christ

[Montana Marv]

rollinThunder

Your question from above:

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Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time.

Correct, everyone will go in their own order. But scripture mentions nothing about a resurrection for the ones who are born in the millennium. Do you have a biblical answer for that?

Ans: Some time Post Mill. Those alive in Christ received there new bodies Pre Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[rollinTHUNDER]

rollinThunder

Your question from above:

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Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time.

Correct, everyone will go in their own order. But scripture mentions nothing about a resurrection for the ones who are born in the millennium. Do you have a biblical answer for that?

Ans: Some time Post Mill. Those alive in Christ received there new bodies Pre Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I hear you Marv, but it's an unnecessary assumption that can't be proven. It's hard to know very much about the way the Lord will set up things in the millennial kingdom. I know one thing, though, if Adam and Eve would have been obedient to God, they could have lived forever and never died.

[Montana Marv]

rollinThunder

Your question from above:

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Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time.

Correct, everyone will go in their own order. But scripture mentions nothing about a resurrection for the ones who are born in the millennium. Do you have a biblical answer for that?

Ans: Some time Post Mill. Those alive in Christ received there new bodies Pre Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I hear you Marv, but it's an unnecessary assumption that can't be proven. It's hard to know very much about the way the Lord will set up things in the millennial kingdom. I know one thing, though, if Adam and Eve would have been obedient to God, they could have lived forever and never died.

rollinnthunder

One either partakes in the First Resurrection which is for the Justified (past, present, future). or One partakes in the Second Resurrection which is for the unjust (past, Present, future). There are no other choices. For many follow Satan at the end of the 1000 years. What is thier fate? What are the fates of those who do not follow Satan at the end of the 1000 years. It is all about Eternity with Christ. or Eternity without Christ. When the transformation takes place, is a different story line. Resurrection is about Transformation for one of two destinations. Those who were born during the 1000 years will have one of two destinations. Why does Christ need to rule with a rod of iron during the 1000 years????? For all are not Christ lovers when they come out of the last 7 years..

In Christ

Montana Marv

[rollinTHUNDER]

rollinThunder

Your question from above:

Quote

Scripture does not say that all go into the First Resurrection at the same time.

Correct, everyone will go in their own order. But scripture mentions nothing about a resurrection for the ones who are born in the millennium. Do you have a biblical answer for that?

Ans: Some time Post Mill. Those alive in Christ received there new bodies Pre Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I hear you Marv, but it's an unnecessary assumption that can't be proven. It's hard to know very much about the way the Lord will set up things in the millennial kingdom. I know one thing, though, if Adam and Eve would have been obedient to God, they could have lived forever and never died.

rollinnthunder

One either partakes in the First Resurrection which is for the Justified (past, present, future). or One partakes in the Second Resurrection which is for the unjust (past, Present, future). There are no other choices. For many follow Satan at the end of the 1000 years. What is thier fate? What are the fates of those who do not follow Satan at the end of the 1000 years. It is all about Eternity with Christ. or Eternity without Christ. When the transformation takes place, is a different story line. Resurrection is about Transformation for one of two destinations. Those who were born during the 1000 years will have one of two destinations. Why does Christ need to rule with a rod of iron during the 1000 years????? For all are not Christ lovers when they come out of the last 7 years..

In Christ

Montana Marv

It's easy to see that Satan and his followers are burnt to a crisp. But the fate of the others? What do believe will become of them? Do they receive resurrected bodies? Or do they live on as they were, the way that Adam and Eve could have if they didn't disobey God? We simply do not know.