Conversation with those who believe Christ has NOT returned (2nd Advent) and will NOT be coming pre trib (rapture)

[Sister]

28 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Sister, I hope I am understanding your comments- if wrong, please correct me, but the 70 years represented the punishment from God for the Jews ignoring the Sabbath rest of the land for 490 years. They continued to disobey God and where sent into captivity to Babylon for those 70 years. As you know, Cyrus came to power and issued a decree ending their punishment and captivity in Babylon and could return to Jerusalem.

If that is not your understanding please let me know, thank you, Charlie 

Hi Charlie

This 70 years is different.  The nations have made a pact in the end times to serve the true King of Babylon (Satan).  God gave Israel and the nations 70 years to repent.  I don't know when that 70 years started but God sees all that they do in secret (the leaders)  When the Great tribulation starts we can count backwards and work out then, for after the 70 years is accomplished, God will start punishing Satan's kingdom (Babylon) and the nations, and that will start with the 2 witnesses and the 7 plagues that are coming.  He will begin bringing evil into the City that is called by his name.  It will start in Jerusalem.  Jerusalem will be occupied by the kings of the North.

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[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi Charlie

This 70 years is different.  The nations have made a pact in the end times to serve the true King of Babylon (Satan).  God gave Israel and the nations 70 years to repent.  I don't know when that 70 years started but God sees all that they do in secret (the leaders)  When the Great tribulation starts we can count backwards and work out then, for after the 70 years is accomplished, God will start punishing Satan's kingdom (Babylon) and the nations, and that will start with the 2 witnesses and the 7 plagues that are coming.  He will begin bringing evil into the City that is called by his name.  It will start in Jerusalem.

Thank you !  But can you reference the verse for this “different” 70 year end time period? 

Jeremiah specifically deals with the then coming captivity in Babylon....

Charlie

[Sister]

28 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you !  But can you reference the verse for this “different” 70 year end time period? 

Jeremiah specifically deals with the then coming captivity in Babylon....

Charlie

Hi Charlie

Jeremiah 25:11 & 12

[Sister]

Charlie

also here;

Jeremiah 29:10   For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

  Jeremiah 29:11   For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

  Jeremiah 29:12   Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

  Jeremiah 29:13   And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

  Jeremiah 29:14   And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive. (ZION)

 

 

[Sister]

Charlie

Daniel 9:1   In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

  Daniel 9:2   In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Daniel knew of Jeremiah's prophecy. The Medes had just conquered Babylon. He was worried thinking that the 70 yr prophecy would come any day now in his time,   God explained to him no, the 70 weeks, must come first. It's different.  God did not explain the 70 years here to Daniel of which Jeremiah was speaking of, because the 70 years is for much later in the end times.  God gave the 70 years to Jeremiah to understand, and Daniel the 70 weeks.

I think we can confirm here that 70 yrs had just past with Israel under the hand of Babylon, but Israel are now in captivity of the Mede's. So much has to happen until the real Babylon is punished.

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[Charlie744]

41 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi Charlie

Jeremiah 25:11 & 12

Thank you! But that speaks directly to their coming captivity in Babylon not the end times... Jeremiah was asking the Jews to repent for some 23 or more years but they refused... 

Charlie

[Charlie744]

37 minutes ago, Sister said:

Charlie

also here;

Jeremiah 29:10   For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

  Jeremiah 29:11   For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

  Jeremiah 29:12   Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

  Jeremiah 29:13   And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

  Jeremiah 29:14   And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive. (ZION)

 

 

Yes... the 70 years are all about Babylon... God would call His servant Cyrus to allow them to return to Jerusalem... Charlie 

[Sister]

11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Yes... the 70 years are all about Babylon... God would call His servant Cyrus to allow them to return to Jerusalem... Charlie 

Yes it is, sorry.  You are correct here.

[Sister]

On 7/9/2021 at 10:59 AM, Charlie744 said:

Thank you! But that speaks directly to their coming captivity in Babylon not the end times... Jeremiah was asking the Jews to repent for some 23 or more years but they refused... 

Charlie

Hi Charlie

I made a mistake with Jeremiah 29, but not Jeremiah 25.  Please read the whole chapter again, and tell me what you get out of it, especially these verses.

Is this speaking of Jerusalem only?

 

Jeremiah 25:12   And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 25:13   And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations.

 

 Jeremiah 25:17   Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:

 

Jeremiah 25:26   And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

 

Jeremiah 25:30   Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.

Jeremiah 25:31   A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.

 

Jeremiah 25:32   Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

Jeremiah 25:33   And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

[Sister]

On 7/10/2021 at 12:26 AM, Da Puppers said:

So when did the 70 years of desolation of Jerusalem begin?   Most people don't bother to look at the scriptures when answering this question.   According to Jer 25:18, they had already begun in the 4th year of Jehoiakim,  which can be determined to have begun in the 1st or 2nd months of 604 BC.  

Jer 25:1 KJV The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;...

Jer 25:18 KJV To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a DESOLATION, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;

From Jer 52 we can also determine that the reign of Nebu began in the 5th month,  18 full years before the temple was burned on 586 BC, i.e. August of 604 BC.  This means that the 4th year of Jehoiakim began in the early part of 604 BC.   According to Dan 1:1,2, the desolations of Jerusalem began in the 3rd year of Jehoiakim when Nebu carried the vessels of the house of the Lord to Babylon, when Daniel was taken there also.   The desolations thus began in 605 (most likely because Daniel was probably not taken to Babylon in the winter time of 604 BC.  The 70 years desolation are incomplete because when Cyrus conquered Babylon and issued his decree in his first year (of 539/538 would only have been the 67th year. 

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

Da Puppers.  It's good to go back and check things out, but that verse I gave Charlie in Jeremiah 29 confirms the 'first' 70 years of Jerusalem's captivity in Babylon (as it turns out!)

I think it's also hard to go by 'dates' because I don't trust that man has given accurate records.  I have found this out in the last couple of years that many 'dates' don't add up according to the history records they've given us on many things, not only the bible -  but that's a whole different subject.....

Edited July 12, 2021 by Sister