Conversation with those who believe Christ has NOT returned (2nd Advent) and will NOT be coming pre trib (rapture)

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Selah7 said:

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

II Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

[Selah7]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were THROWN ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

I believe it is two ROLES that satan plays—as the beast (one world system) and the false prophet, Antichrist.  

Edited June 28, 2021 by Selah7

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

From what I see there are two main phases and three clear divisions

Phase 1 is the first half and Phase 2 is the second half. The first division is the A of D which splits the week in two; a 1st half and a second half.

The 2nd half has two divisions: the GT and God's wrath. I'll explain more with the scriptures you quoted below.

I'm not sure what point you're making here.  There is an earthquake of some power when the witnesses are raised, yes.

I see. Well...how do we know the earthquake in 11:13 is the same as "And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place."?

The 11:13 earthquake destroys a 10th of Jerusalem and 7000 people die. The earthquake when the Lord returns moves all the mountains and islands. Those are not the same earthquakes. Then there is a pause; 

"The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming shortly."

If the 7th trump is the 3rd woe, and it is, and the 7th trump is when the Lord returns, and it is, then the 7th trump has yet to sound sometime after the two witnesses are raised up and taken aloft. The above scripture says the 3rd woe is coming, it's not here just yet.

Dispensationalism has been so prevalent it has taught us bad habits. It's a lazy doctrine of feel good preaching and inaccurate speech. Dispensationalism labels the last week as tribulation or great tribulation or the tribulation period and it's just lazy writing and totally incorrect. And I know. I used to think just like them,  and it was wrong of me.

The only time GT is mentioned at the end of the age in Matt 24 is AFTER the A of D. This has nothing to do with the 1st half, or the whole week. The last week is the 70th week of Daniel, not 'tribulation'. The 1st half is the beginning of sorrows, not 'tribulation'. The 2nd half contains two time periods; GT and wrath and only part of the last week is tribulation.

If you look at what I wrote above the earthquakes cannot be the same ones so the raising of the two witnesses is before the Lord returns. Did you read the link I posted in the other post?

Deception happens all the time. Who listens to God now? Why would anyone change when believers are being killed and the beast offers food? And the 2W's are speaking what God tells them to say. Literally God speaking through them. If people won't hear them they won't hear our Lord.

Yes. But there are a couple things to consider. This is the best outline and order of events in scripture concerning the end of the age. I'll condense it just a bit and highlight the parts which explain best. You can read all of it yourself in the bible but I want to point out the order and timing.

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’

For at that time there will be great tribulation... If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short. 

[Do you see this? The days of GT are cut short. Jesus says it twice and it's super important.]

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,

They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Jesus does not come at the start of the 2nd half. Here He shows us He comes after the days of GT are cut short, which days of GT only begin at the start of the 2nd half and continue until Jesus returns to cut those days short.

So, the A of D, then GT, then Jesus returns; but only sometime within the 2nd half of the week and not at the beginning of the 2nd half. But yes, when Jesus comes back deep within the 2nd half of the week to put an end to GT the Day of the Lord begins and lasts 1000 years, plus maybe a few days or so.

 

 

 

 

Yes Matt 24:4-12 is a synopsis of the week up to the point where Jesus returns. It take "But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." as meaning persevering to the end when Jesus returns. Matt 24:9-12 is GT, then Matt 24:13 is the time of Jesus saving all those who made it. So when Jesus says 'beginning of sorrows' He means the 1st half of the week.

 

All of the above happens and is accurate, the timing doesn't align with all of Matt 24. Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are THE outline of events in the proper order and timing. Rev has to be filtered through the word of the Lord in these passages. And Joel 1 give us more clues as to order as well. I'll modify it below:

 

After this is GT till the Lord returns.

But only at the 7th trump and not when the witnesses are raised. The great earthquake At the 6th seal and the 7th bowl is not the same as the one from Rev 11:13. In fact there are 2 quakes; one in Rev 11:13 and one described in two places, Rev 6:12 and Rev 16:18

Only after Jesus returns which is after GT which is after the A of D. GT goes deep into the 2nd half per Matt 24 and only after GT is decreed over by our Father does Jesus return. Even then I don't think Satan is bound until wrath is complete at the very end of the last week or close to it. So in Rev 19:17-21 we see the beast and false prophet captured, their armies destroyed and the birds devouring their flesh. In my mind this can only be the final battle of Joel 3, Ezekiel 38-39 and Zech 14. John now says,

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."

So only after the final battle, which is after Jesus returns, which is only late in the 2nd half after the A of D and GT, does Satan get caught and bound in chains.

 

Yes, but only up to the point where Jesus returns, not where wrath is poured out. The Matt 24 outline narrative concerning timing and duration ends with;

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

Then Jesus goes on to explain how we need to be diligent and ready for Him to come.

So at this point wrath had not been poured out as we only see the tribes mourn, seeing Him coming and the gathering of the elect; which elect must be gathered before wrath but well after the start of the 2nd week.

 

I hope that helps. It's not much and there is a ton to talk over. I have been at this for years. It's simple enough but the clues have to be searched out and that takes time. Gotta move a lot of rock to find a gem.

 

 

Hi Diaste,

I DESPERATELY need to SEE this in GODS WORDS in the order you are presenting SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO GUESS  and I can see EXACTLY how you go from one event to the next.  Please.  I know its a little time consuming but I can't follow from your words.  

And if that isn't already probably enough, could you just arrange the numbers 1-8 in the order you see the events unfolding from that past post?

Thank you D


 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

I believe that Jesus wants His people ready or prepared in our hearts and minds, praying always and avoiding temptation. 

Jesus will come as a " thief in the night" for the unsaved world. However this does not mean that we as believers can put all of our trust in teachings that claim to know the timing or what events have to occur before Christ comes. 

It is a noble thing to try to understand when Jesus will come, but it is most important to be ready for that marriage supper ( Mt. 25:1-13). Our salvation must come from God, who has chosen His bride before the world began. 

 

Hi Walter,

Here is where we differ.  Jesus, Himself, in His words tells me basically to "NOT be deceived, people ARE COMING to tell you lies, don't believe them, PUT ON MY WHOLE WORD as it is THE ARMOR needed to get through the battle that is coming upon the whole world, with it you can BE SURE you are protected, YOU WON'T even find yourself in the least bit tempted to believe those lies and liars coming your way.  That armor is the only protection from the enemies arrows/fiery darts/lies told to try to TRICK YOU into being unfaithful.  If you DON'T have this armor you will be deceived and if that happens then you will NOT BE KEPT from the wrath to come, because CHRIST IS THAT ARMOR,  HE IS those words we make a part of ourselves, that is HOW HE DWELLS WITHIN US.   SO we learn the parable of the fig tree, because HE SAID 'now learn'.  We study because HE SAID 'STUDY'.  

HOW DOES FAITH COME?  FROM THE WORDS OF GOD.  Those words of God are CHRIST, the Messiah, Saviour.  In those words of God we find salvation.  We find HIS truth.  His truth KEEPS us safe, KEEPS us FROM being ignorant and believing what ANY MAN may tell us because we can go straight to what GOD TELLS us and  THAT is TRUTH. 

SO, If I don't LEARN what I am told to learn, If I don't study what I am told to study, If I don't put on the armor I am told to put on (if I disobey a command, like Eve did in the garden)

 THEN I find myself deceived (like Eve did), could I ever blame God for any wrath falling upon me?

I know a lot of men who have tried to tell me 'you don't really need to know' just have faith BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT IS WRITTEN, is it?  That isn't EVEN CLOSE to what is written. 

IF ALL it takes is FAITH but the only way to get faith is by HEARING the words of God, how can I have faith if I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRITTEN?  

I AM figuring the only way to be, as you put it "ready or prepared in our hearts and minds, praying always and avoiding temptation" IS BY FOLLOWING THE COMMANDS and Instructions WRITTEN by God, not the ones so man tells you (unless you FIND those instructions written for yourself)  

If you would really like to discuss this topic with me PLEASE start a post and I will be more than happy to search out and find with you all the places these things are written so that you could see what I am speaking to here.  But that isn't what this is about here.  THIS is about putting SCRIPTURE with scripture and finding the order of events and by process of elimination knowing exactly what can and can't go where.  

AND THE BEST PART ABOUT IT ALL?  THIS is all stuff we are going to be teaching for the millennium.  I mean, IF we are to be 'priests' and are to 'reign' with Christ, would it ever be possible to HAVE studied toooo much?  NO.  Not to mention, these are 'good works' and so these are the things that follow us.  These are the things we will be judged on.  These are the things that differentiate between being a vessel of gold with honor and a vessel of wood without any.  

(AND FOR THE OSASed  NOPE, none of those works have anything to do with the work Jesus did to redeem us and for us to receive the gift of salvation.  BUT when we stand before God, WE BEST HAVE more to show having LIVED our lives IN His blessings than the 'thief on the cross' who JUST LIKE US received the gift of salvation.  BUT if we are just like the thief and also stand naked, WELL that just goes back to the parable of the talents doesn't it)   

Well, looks like I needed a little diversion.  I hope this clears up my beliefs on what is written about those things.  Thank you for the opportunity to digress a bit. 

Shoot, just went back and read the rest

BEING READY for the marriage....

THIS ONE TAKES PLACE AFTER ALL THE JUDGMENTS  (WHICH would be AFTER the lake of fire) so happens in New heaven and New earth

So have at the very least 1000 plus years to get ready for this 

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are HIS judgments: for HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE WHICH DID CORRUPT  the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Then I read  this 
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.......
 

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

SO WE KNOW FOR SURE THIS ALSO IS TAKING PLACE IN THE NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH MARRIAGE

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

IF THERE is a 'wedding' that takes place BEFORE the new heaven and new earth PLEASE  let me know where to find it.  Much appreciated   D   Again, if you would like to go into detail on these please do a post and I will be there.  
 

[Selah7]

On 6/25/2021 at 6:16 PM, DeighAnn said:

If that were to be the 'deadly wound',  how would Satan 'heal' it?  And why would the whole world worship after him because of it?  And why do you believe 'the Holy Spirit speaking through the elect 'wounds' just one of the 10 heads and not all of them?  

As I understand it, it isn't UNTIL the elect are brought up before DEATH/Satan which to me doesn't work because Satan 'becomes' the one the whole world worships BECAUSE the wound is healed so the elect can't be brought up before.  Do you see what I am getting at?  The order of those events don't work because they are backwards or I am really not following.  So please help me understand.  

Thank you for helping to negotiate through all these things, I really appreciate it.  I can't do it on my own.  One of my worst problems is I can tell you why something might not work out but can't seem to tell you how it will from the get go.  

 

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.



Again, Thank you

I’ve been studying and studying all this in light of what you’ve said.  Let’s try this on for size.

The deadly wound happens before AC comes on the scene, and it’s political/in the 1st 2 and 1/2 months.  The bruising/crushing happens after the wound is healed by AC and is in the latter part of the 2nd 2 and 1/2 months when the 2 witnesses’ testimony and the Elect's delivery destroys the lies of the lying dragon, the fake messiah.

We know that the Deadly Wound will be healed by none other than Satan himself, right?  The bruising is when the Holy Spirit speaks through the Elect—the cloven tongue by the Holy Spirit, as in Pentecost day.

So there is a distinction between the political wound by a sword (Truth ?) and the bruising/crushing of the head of the fake healer by the Holy Spirit’s witness to the whole world which exposes the great imposter, that old dragon whose name is Satan.  

Everything about 666 will look exactly as 777, earthquakes and all ....It is the Political Deadly Wound that ushers in the spurious messiah and makes him a public figure.  Only after Satan heals the deadly wound can his head get bruised/crushed.

Does that work? 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Selah7

[Walter and Deborah]

17 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Walter

That is the place I think we should strive to be BUT when the Spirit grabs a hold of you and starts leading in a direction, have you ever tried to ignore it?  Can't be done.  EVERYTHING will turn you back to the mission at hand.  Sometimes there is little resistance sometime major but just keep putting one foot in front of the other and soldiering on.  

I think one of the hardest things for the many membered body is accepting all the different ways we are called and when others are called in ways we are not we 'think' they are not doing Gods will when in reality they are.  When we look to the gifts given we see the different approaches that MUST  be taken and MUST be different from one another.  Those who are to evangelize are so much more driven in the love message.   It is hard for them to see and hear someone in the teaching against false doctrines.  BUT we have to remember IT TAKES all of us to get ALL the WHOMSOEVER WOULDS.  The whomsoever woulds don't ALL respond to the God is 'love' only message.  I think if we did there would be a lot less judging of Gods Servants by Gods Servants.  

 

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore He saith, When he ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Ephesians 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Ephesians 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Ephesians 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

 

Kept trying to find a place to 'cut off' but just too much good stuff....Thank you again and may God keep Blessings upon Walter and Deborah

Hi DeighAnn, how are you ? , Great post, I would say just as long as I understand what a given matter is about from that peron, and that I become a DOER of whatever The LORD is saying about that matter because some plant, and some water, but The LORD must give that increase.

Thanks again for your input.

Love, Walter

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

The marriage supper of the Lamb takes place as soon as His bride is united with Him at the last day of this sin- cursed earth.

Hi Walter, 

Could you please share with me the scriptures that provided you with all that information so that they might provide me with the same? 

When you say 'the last day of this sin cursed earth'  do you mean BEFORE the new heaven and new earth in which there is no sin?  I am not following why you would believe that.  

Thank you and look forward to your reply.  D

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I’ve been studying and studying all this in light of what you’ve said.  Let’s try this on for size.

The deadly wound happens before AC comes on the scene, and it’s political/in the 1st 2 and 1/2 months.  The bruising/crushing happens after the wound is healed by AC and is in the latter part of the 2nd 2 and 1/2 months when the 2 witnesses’ testimony and the Elect's delivery destroys the lies of the lying dragon, the fake messiah.

We know that the Deadly Wound will be healed by none other than Satan himself, right?  The bruising is when the Holy Spirit speaks through the Elect—the cloven tongue by the Holy Spirit, as in Pentecost day.

So there is a distinction between the political wound by a sword (Truth ?) and the bruising/crushing of the head of the fake healer by the Holy Spirit’s witness to the whole world which exposes the great imposter, that old dragon whose name is Satan.  

Everything about 666 will look exactly as 777, earthquakes and all ....It is the Political Deadly Wound that ushers in the spurious messiah and makes him a public figure.  Only after Satan heals the deadly wound can his head get bruised/crushed.

Does that work? 

Morning Selah

I am sorry to say I am even more lost. 

 Let's simplify, just the bare bones

The beast rises.

The one of the heads wounded.

The wound is healed.  The image set up

The DEMAND FOR  WORSHIP and to take THE MARK,   BEGINS.  

Which is the reason WHY are the elect delivered up, correct?  And this is when the Holy Spirit SPEAKs through them, correct?

So it is only AFTER they have been TURNED over to death for the 10 day trial BECAUSE they are refusing to worship does the Holy Spirit speak.  

So by the time the HOLY SPIRIT does speak, 

THE DEADLY WOUND HAS TAKEN PLACE AND BEEN HEALED. 

This is what I believe to be truth.  

What I would need is to be shown the HOLY SPIRIT speaking

WHILE THE BEAST IS RISING OR ONCE RISEN

so as to be the CAUSE of the wound.   

if indeed that is what you are trying to say.  

AM I understanding you?  I can be REALLY thick.  What is scary to me is it has taken years before for info to make it's way through and if that is happening right now and I am just not hearing you I am very sorry


So let me see if using your words help.  

The deadly wound happens before AC comes on the scene.  

And again, WHY are the elect delivered up in the first place?  
 

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.





Thought of this just now

Raising up the baby.  You teach it to talk  EDUCATE
You give it rules  GOVERN 
You provide it food  MONEY
You feed its spirit  RELIGION

Those are the things NECESSARY raise that child up.  DEPENDING ON WHO is and HOW they are doing it  determines WHAT they know, what they believe.........


THOSE are a couple of the areas in which Satan has been using his 'influence' to control the goings on of the world.  Those are those 4 beasts spoken of in Daniel.  Not kings with kingdoms but areas of influence all under his tutelage.  

NOW the

Many people being raised under that become/are very easy to 'move' in the directions need to take control of ALL the peoples of the world.  Since one person can't do it all he has to delegate authority to others.  So he sets his influence towards those who will eventually rise to power.  ALL those who are 

RISING to power UNDER his influence RIGHT NOW (THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY DOETH ALREADY WORK)  though we don't see them yet WE KNOW for sure we will know exactly who they are because of THE HORNS we are told about.  This is not going to be a guessing game for those with the gospel armor on.  THEY are educating their spiritual eyes to see right now so when the time comes, it will be clear as day.  EX.  how many people have any idea what happened in 1948 past 'Israel became a nation'?  To you it is clear as day, others SEE NOTHING.  


Just like the second beast.  WE will recognize him because THE TWO HORNS.  

Horns not only symbolize power but they are also VISABLE.  So when 

we HEAR like a lamb WE know he is trying to 'look' like Jesus but he won't be telling any truths cause he is speaking.  

NOW, what does all this have to do with what we are talking about?  NOTHING that I am personally aware of but thought I would/should share since this is when it came.  (you are probably getting used to this by now so I won't apologize)

May God rain down upon you blessings and wisdom and understanding.   And me too please!!! 

 

[Selah7]

49 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Morning Selah

I am sorry to say I am even more lost. 

 Let's simplify, just the bare bones

The beast rises.

The one of the heads wounded.

The wound is healed.  The image set up

The DEMAND FOR  WORSHIP and to take THE MARK,   BEGINS.  

Which is the reason WHY are the elect delivered up, correct?  And this is when the Holy Spirit SPEAKs through them, correct?

So it is only AFTER they have been TURNED over to death for the 10 day trial BECAUSE they are refusing to worship does the Holy Spirit speak.  

So by the time the HOLY SPIRIT does speak, 

THE DEADLY WOUND HAS TAKEN PLACE AND BEEN HEALED. 

This is what I believe to be truth.  

Yes.  
The Deadly Wound stuff and the delivering up of the Elect are two different events.  The DW is in the first half of the week; the delivering up is way into the second half of the week.

Read again:

The deadly wound happens before AC comes on the scene, and it’s political/in the 1st 2 and 1/2 months.  The bruising/crushing happens after the wound is healed by AC and is in the latter part of the 2nd 2 and 1/2 months when the 2 witnesses’ testimony and the Elect's delivery destroys the lies of the lying dragon, the fake messiah.

We know that the Deadly Wound will be healed by none other than Satan himself, right?  The bruising is when the Holy Spirit speaks through the Elect—the cloven tongue by the Holy Spirit, as in Pentecost day.

So there is a distinction between the political wound by a sword (Truth ?) and the bruising/crushing of the head of the fake healer by the Holy Spirit’s witness to the whole world which exposes the great imposter, that old dragon whose name is Satan.  

Everything about 666 will look exactly as 777, earthquakes and all ....It is the Political Deadly Wound that ushers in the spurious messiah and makes him a public figure.  Only after Satan heals the deadly wound can his head get bruised/crushed.

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Selah7

[Selah7]

51 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

What I would need is to be shown the HOLY SPIRIT speaking

WHILE THE BEAST IS RISING OR ONCE RISEN

so as to be the CAUSE of the wound.   

Nah, not quite right from where I stand.  I don’t know how the deadly wound happens to this political system.  It could very well be orchestrated by patriots, Christians behind the scenes; I don’t know….but the DW is a separate event from the delivering up of the Saints.

Edited June 28, 2021 by Selah7