In the Resurrection, prepare yourselves for the shock of your lives...

[JohnD]

We have in our stained glass windows and photos in our books of a Jesus who is strikingly handsome, light brown hair, trimmed beard... and perhaps with a halo / illuminated face. ← that part appears to be true by the Revelation account. But he bears the scars of the cross (which he showed to the Apostles) and his visage was so marred that the Apostles did not even recognize him at first.

He was beaten and whipped and long thorns were crushed into his skull and face.

Isaiah 50:6 (AV)
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

If you are expecting to see the traditional Jesus you might rather prepare yourself. At that moment we will know beyond the shadow of doubt that he is real, his sacrifice is real, and that we are partially the cause of it.

We will weep like we never wept before!

What humanity's best had to endure for us. Now enthrone in majesty above all majesty... still the God incarnate resurrected man who bore the brutality of sacrifice under the Roman executioners.

[Raven]

Those that 'know' the Truth won't fear it.

[DeighAnn]

On 7/8/2021 at 4:09 PM, JohnD said:

We have in our stained glass windows and photos in our books of a Jesus who is strikingly handsome, light brown hair, trimmed beard... and perhaps with a halo / illuminated face. ← that part appears to be true by the Revelation account. But he bears the scars of the cross (which he showed to the Apostles) and his visage was so marred that the Apostles did not even recognize him at first.

He was beaten and whipped and long thorns were crushed into his skull and face.

Isaiah 50:6 (AV)
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

If you are expecting to see the traditional Jesus you might rather prepare yourself. At that moment we will know beyond the shadow of doubt that he is real, his sacrifice is real, and that we are partially the cause of it.

We will weep like we never wept before!

What humanity's best had to endure for us. Now enthrone in majesty above all majesty... still the God incarnate resurrected man who bore the brutality of sacrifice under the Roman executioners.

Hi JohnD

I can't say as I agree because of these scriptures BUT would like to see what scriptures you read that lead you to this.  Have you given any thought to EVERYONE who dies remaining in whatever state they were in when the death of their flesh occurred? And  God gave us an EARTHly body that goes back to dust and a heavenly body that only HE can kill.  Again looking forward to see where you got this.. Thank you.....D

 

Luke 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.

Luke 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

Luke 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

Luke 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

Luke 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Luke 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

Luke 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

Luke 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.

Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Luke 24:22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;

Luke 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

Luke 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Luke 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luke 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,

Luke 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.

Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Luke 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Luke 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.




 

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I think this would have gone very different if Jesus retained all the 'stripes' and marks received before the crucifixion.  
 

[R. Hartono]

Thats why the nations of the world will mourn when He appeared on the cloud to take home all saints, but He doesnt land on the ground yet but depart to heaven.

[Dennis1209]

On 7/8/2021 at 6:09 PM, JohnD said:

We have in our stained glass windows and photos in our books of a Jesus who is strikingly handsome, light brown hair, trimmed beard... and perhaps with a halo / illuminated face. ← that part appears to be true by the Revelation account. But he bears the scars of the cross (which he showed to the Apostles) and his visage was so marred that the Apostles did not even recognize him at first.

He was beaten and whipped and long thorns were crushed into his skull and face.

Isaiah 50:6 (AV)
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

If you are expecting to see the traditional Jesus you might rather prepare yourself. At that moment we will know beyond the shadow of doubt that he is real, his sacrifice is real, and that we are partially the cause of it.

We will weep like we never wept before!

What humanity's best had to endure for us. Now enthrone in majesty above all majesty... still the God incarnate resurrected man who bore the brutality of sacrifice under the Roman executioners.

I've had the same thoughts. Jesus was so disfigured from his wounds, scars, whippings and plucking His beard out by hand. He appeared in His glorified body with those same wounds, and doubting Thomas even examined Him. 

This leads me to believe, there is much more than we realize, that Jesus bore for us in our place. If Jesus appeared in His glorified body with those mutilations He bore, He probably will retain them for all eternity. Possibly as a witness and reminder of exactly what He did and went through, for us and in our place. I think and humbly and gratefully ponder on those thoughts; the King of the universe, the Creator of everything that is, the Son of God, the very definition of "Love". Making and executing a plan of Salvation, that we do not deserve, cannot earn of work for; absolutely free for the asking. Becoming 100% God and 100% man in the flesh, experiencing every temptation of Satan possible and the flesh we can be exposed to, and remained sinless. 

He took every sin we committed or will commit, and placed it upon Himself in our place. An advocate for us who sits at the right hand of the Father. This goes so far beyond my human understanding. How can one not recognize and be eternally grateful for the extremes, pain and suffering our Lord went through, personally, for each and everyone of us? 

This is difficult to even articulate my thoughts on this one. Sins are eternal, and sin requires eternal punishment; thus eternal damnation. Unless our sins are "covered" by the blood of the Lamb, the free gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord. I see nowhere in the Bible, where all that sin that Jesus bore on Himself, was judged and cast into Hell. What happened to all those sins, and where are they at now? Is this another eternal consequence Jesus bears for all of eternity for us?  

[BibleStudent100]

There are physical bodies and there are spiritual bodies and these latter bodies are entirely beyond human senses (1 Corinthians 15:44).  The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious. “At no time has anyone beheld God.” (1 John 4:12).  Man cannot see God and live (Exodus 33:20). When the apostle Paul had only a glimpse of the manifestation of Jesus Christ after Jesus’ resurrection, he fell to the ground and was blinded by the brilliance, a miracle being required to restore his sight (Acts 9:3-5, 17, 18; 26:13, 14).

After Jesus' resurrection, he appeared in different bodies:

• Mary mistook him for the gardener
• Once he entered a room with locked doors, having a body with wound marks
• Several time he manifested himself and was recognized, not by his appearance, but by his words and actions
• Once a miracle performed at his direction opened his disciples’ eyes to his identity

The physical body of Jesus Christ was not allowed to decay into dust as did the bodies of Moses and David, men who were used to foreshadow Christ. (De 34:5, 6; Ac 13:35, 36; 2:27, 31) When his disciples went to the tomb early on the first day of the week, Jesus’ body had disappeared, and the bandages with which his body had been wrapped were left in the tomb, his body doubtless having been disintegrated without passing through the process of decaying (John 20:2-9; Luke 24:3-6).  Thus, it seems reasonable that Jesus took on a glorified spiritual body when he was resurrected to heaven, a body, which would not have reflected the torturous marks he received in the last 24 hours of his earthly existence.