Israel in Prophesy (still future vs 1948)

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

The verse speaks about the sacrifice and the abomination actually. There is no way you can chainsaw the verse to pick out something you can try to make appear to fit your prophesy denying pet theory. 

 

Daniel 12:11

 

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

That is not thousands of years. But the same chapter points out that this will not be understood! You fulfil that prophesy.

 

Another verse that shows that this is all for the very end time is verse 9

 

Daniel 12:9

 

He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

 

Daniel 12:9

 

He answered, "You must go now, Daniel, because these words are to be kept secret and hidden until the end comes.

 

 That does not mean 70AD!

Daniel speaks three times about Ending Daily Sacrifice.   That's as important to Paul telling us those <Who Remain> until the Coming of the Lord.   The Ending of Daily Sacrifice from a Jewish point of view means how do I get my sins cleaned if (1) No Temple, (2) No {Altar} for Sacrifice unto God, (3) No more Daily Sacrifice to cleans my sins.   That puts the State of Israel under Abomination and continued Desolation because it continues to follow the Law.

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[dad2]

3 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

So in other words you have no scripture to support your ideas

Only if you can't read. I posted the verse showing the context was 'the end of the world'. I kid you not. 

[dad2]

3 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

Daniel speaks three times about Ending Daily Sacrifice.   That's as important to Paul telling us those <Who Remain> until the Coming of the Lord.   The Ending of Daily Sacrifice from a Jewish point of view means how do I get my sins cleaned if (1) No Temple, (2) No {Altar} for Sacrifice unto God, (3) No more Daily Sacrifice to cleans my sins.   That puts the State of Israel under Abomination and continued Desolation because it continues to follow the Law.

No. You do not get to invent what the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus and Daniel is. Whatever it is, it will stand in that holy place at that end time. The days from when it does till the end are given. That was not in 70ad or whatever. Period.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, dad2 said:

Only if you can't read. I posted the verse showing the context was 'the end of the world'. I kid you not. 

I am sorry--I must have missed that. Can you point me to it?

[dad2]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

I am sorry--I must have missed that. Can you point me to it?

Yes I was asked about Matthew 24. I pointed out that in verse three the question had to do with the end of the world. 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

No. You do not get to invent what the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus and Daniel is. Whatever it is, it will stand in that holy place at that end time. The days from when it does till the end are given. That was not in 70ad or whatever. Period.

What is to <invent>?

 

Daniel tells us the Abomination is no longer able to offer Daily Sacrifice.   It's important enough, he mentions it in 3 separate Verses.

 

Christ outside the Temple tells His Followers this building will crumble brick upon brick and be destroyed.

Christ then tells us it relates to Daniel's Prophecy.   Daniel's Prophecy is when the Temple is destroyed, there is no longer a place for Me to forgive you (from God's point of View) because no Altar = No Daily Sacrifice!   That is an Abomination to take place and Desolation to fill the void afterwards.

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[dad2]

20 minutes ago, Josheb said:

You have yet to prove any of that. The phrase "end of the world" is never found in scripture. The KJV uses that phrase but if you check the Greek you're find the term is "ainos," or ages, not world. Everything I have posted is about context. AND I used scripture. I have not received parity in either regard. 

 

And I have asked.

Same thing. When man's ages end is the period most people call the end of the world. I also gave a list of things that absolutely could not have been done yet. Such as the bowls of wrath, trumpets, and vials. Such as the AntiChrist ruling and etc etc. Either you have not read much of the tread or are unable to comprehend the light given.

[dad2]

27 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

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What is to event?

Sorry, I speak English. Maybe get some help communicating?

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Daniel tells us the Abomination is no longer able to offer Daily Sacrifice.   It's important enough, he mentions it in 3 separate Verses.

You thought Daniel said an abomination would offer sacrifices? Ha. Verse?

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Christ outside the Temple tells His Followers this building will crumble 

Yes, that was already done. That is something that shows the prophesy even in the future will also come true. 

³³ So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The people that see all the things in the prophesy will know the end is near. The temple being destroyed was not all those things, it was one thing. Notice that they asked what the sign for His Coming and the end of the world was AFTER He mentioned that the temple would be destroyed!?

 

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Christ then tells us it relates to Daniel's Prophecy.   Daniel's Prophecy is when the Temple is destroyed,

? Verse? The abomination being set up does not mention destroying the temple. You need to cite chapter and verse.

 

 

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there is no longer a place for Me to forgive you (from God's point of View) because no Altar = No Daily Sacrifice! 

False. we are not forgiven because of some temple activity! Neither are the Jews! That is blasphemy. We are forgiven because of Jesus. I don't recall Daniel saying an altar would be disassembled either? It says they will place the abomination in the holy place. 

 

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 That is an Abomination to take place and Desolation to fill the void afterwards.

You can speculate all you like. We do not know what it is. But they will when they see it there!

 

[dad2]

4 minutes ago, Josheb said:

 

Biased evidence for a biased point of view; a highly interpretive use of scripture to justify an interpretive view of scripture.

Nonsense. The bible is plain to him that understands. It may seem murky to you. It is not interpretive to read all the things that must happen before the end! There is no possible way they all happened already. That is delusional.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

48 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Sorry, I speak English. Maybe get some help communicating?

Do you even remember what you respond and then I answer before just offering this in return?

 

You know what we're discussing, and if you did have sudden short term memory loss, you could flip back a couple pages and see what we are discussing.  The topic specifics 

48 minutes ago, dad2 said:

<because no Altar = No Daily Sacrifice! >

False. we are not forgiven because of some temple activity! Neither are the Jews! That is blasphemy. We are forgiven because of Jesus. I don't recall Daniel saying an altar would be disassembled either? It says they will place the abomination in the holy place. 

You do know before Christ died and resurrected and it became part of His Gospel, God dealt with the Jews by Temple/Sanctuary/Daily Sacrifice?

 

That suddenly ended in 70 A.D.

Prophesied by Christ sitting in front of the Temple itself quoting Daniel in Matthew 24.

 

The Abomination happened, Daily Sacrifice Ended, Desolation is all that is left.

 

What is Desolation?

des·o·la·tion

/ˌdesəˈlāSH(ə)n/

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noun

 

1. a state of complete emptiness or destruction.

    

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   Just like the Temple and the Altar exists to this very day (1. a state of complete emptiness or destruction.) or better defined as <Desolation>

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