Purpose Driven Church or Presence Driven Church?

[Christ's Free Servant]

Let us hope in the L-rd and he will exchange our power once again, from our power to His power. Let us not go by might, and not by our own power, but by the Spirit of the L-rd!  As that old hymn says,

"The arm of flesh will fail you... you dare not trust your own."

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Amen!!

[cag7800]

i agree.churches these days have lost their way..i believe in living my life in line with the bible,not purpose driven,not wof,not government of 12,not seeker sensetive.i guess my pastor's words just like i would anyones.the bible says this.

1.woe to the rebellious children saith the LORD that take counsel,but not of me:but not of my spirit,that they may add sin(isa.30:1

2.there is a way which seemth right unto man,but the end thereof are the ways of death.(prov.14:12)

3.now the spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some depart from faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils!(Itimothy4:1)

i believe that a lot of these *new* ways are the wrong way.its still all about Christ and what HE did at that cross some 2000 yrs ago.try to find a church that still preaches that! they don't speak of sin it might hurt someones feelings..

[RGR]

First, I agree with SuperJew on the Toronto Blessing, et. al. I'm sure there were sincere people in the movement and perhaps God did even move on some people, but I was watching (may've been Rodney Howard Browne) one of the movements proponents on TV one night and this guy looked SOOOO fake. Ya know, I watch wrestling every now and then and it looked like one of these wrestlers getting up and saying how mad he was-he tried hard to put on the emotion, but underneath, something was wrong.

Second, I'd like to know what is wrong with having a positive message come from the pulpit? I DO NOT agree with Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuller, etc., but what I see Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer teach is a far different cry from the "Positive Thinking" proponents. I've been reading Osteen's book and it seems pretty Biblically sound to me. For those who says it's a wishy-washy message, he even talks about that when we sin, we need to seek God for forgiveness. In another place, he talks about how having freedom in Christ isn't a license for sin. That's not wishy-washy by any means. He also talks as to how life will never be trouble free, etc. He also goes on to say that once God blesses you in a financial sense to not be selfish but to remember what God has done for you and help those who have less. Doesn't seem wishy-washy at all to me!

[cag7800]

First, I agree with SuperJew on the Toronto Blessing, et. al.  I'm sure there were sincere people in the movement and perhaps God did even move on some people, but I was watching (may've been Rodney Howard Browne) one of the movements proponents on TV one night and this guy looked SOOOO fake.  Ya know, I watch wrestling every now and then and it looked like one of these wrestlers getting up and saying how mad he was-he tried hard to put on the emotion, but underneath, something was wrong.

Second, I'd like to know what is wrong with having a positive message come from the pulpit?  I DO NOT agree with Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuller, etc., but what I see Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer teach is a far different cry from the "Positive Thinking" proponents.  I've been reading Osteen's book and it seems pretty Biblically sound to me.  For those who says it's a wishy-washy message, he even talks about that when we sin, we need to seek God for forgiveness.  In another place, he talks about how having freedom in Christ isn't a license for sin.  That's not wishy-washy by any means.  He also talks as to how life will never be trouble free, etc.  He also goes on to say that once God blesses you in a financial sense to not be selfish but to remember what God has done for you and help those who have less.  Doesn't seem wishy-washy at all to me!

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did u watch did larry king interview with him?

[gypc]

First, I agree with SuperJew on the Toronto Blessing, et. al.

[cag7800]

First, I agree with SuperJew on the Toronto Blessing, et. al.

[Guest Mr.E]

Yeah i read that interview a couple nights ago after my dad mentioned Jimmy Swaggart's son saying something about it. I was really dissappointed with the way he handled the questions. From reading the interview, it seems like he is a sincere Christian but is so afraid to offend anybody that he would not even come out and say that he believes Jesus and His work on the Cross is the only way to salvation. No matter who it offends, we have to share the TRUTH, not tiptoe around it. He seemed to be on the verge of saying all religions lead to God at times.....yikes. Billy Graham's larry king appearance(s) also floored me...

-E

[Kabowd]

"Seeker Sensitive" is a mis-nomer. A truly Seeker sensitive church would recognize who the true Seeker is, it is Christ. It's not "lost" people who are "searching". The Scripture teaches us in Romans 3:11 that an unregenerate person does not seek God. Christ is the One who came to seek and save the lost. If a church wants to be "seeker sensitive" they need to realize Who the Seeker truly is.

[JewishHeart]

I know there is flesh in the moves like Toronto, Brownsville, et. al.

I will say this though... I would rather have Spirit with some flesh trying to win people.... than...

Flesh with some Spirit ( Seeker Sensetive)...!

I'm not saying G-d doesn't use the seeker gospel.... but it doesn't create disciples of Messiah that will be effective.

I just got back from the Toronto Blessing... it lit my fire to preach to t he lost in a greater way! It taught me compassion and travail for lost souls (Randy Clark's message about compassion for souls was great!).

[apothanein kerdos]

I will say this though... I would rather have Spirit with some flesh trying to win people.... than...

Flesh with some Spirit ( Seeker Sensetive)...!

Why must they be seperate and not equal?