“Eternal Salvation”

[Your closest friendnt]

16 hours ago, WordSword said:

There is only one strain of salvation--"Eternal salvation" (Heb 5:9), which is an "everlasting consolation" (2Th 2:16) and an "eternal glory" (2Ti 2:10). If it's not permanent it's not salvation, for the crux of salvation designs the intention of being in permanent and unbroken fellowship with God, which only Christianity provides. In Christianity, one who is reborn is identified by God working within, which keep us from ever again willing after the sin nature (old man) - Phl 2:13); and this is a permanent work, as nothing God does in Christ for the Christian is temporary (Rom 11:29). 

The way of the Law for the believing Jews was works related, as forgiveness was granted for obedience maintained, but withdrawn in disobedience persisted. But God always caused the believers to return to Him. This works-type method gives rise to self-dependence in believers today, misunderstanding the difference between the two administrations. In the New Covenant the Spirit of God indwells the believer and uses the Life of Christ and the nature "created" in His image (Col 3:10) to "keep you from falling" (Jde 1:24). Thus one who is only nominally professing Christianity (Mat 15:8) will eventually apostatize (revealing faithlessness), as the "fruit" will always manifest the "tree" (Mat 12:33).

Lacking an administrative differentiation between the two Covenants is only one of a believer's difficulty. The other is the difficulty that results in misunderstanding certain Scriptures that seem to conflict with one another (but never really do), esp. those concerning the permanency of salvation, and the most important growth truths are going to be the most difficulty to learn. It is this appearance of contradiction, though all are actually in agreement, that teaches the Bible student to remain in persistent study and prayer for guidance in "the Word of Truth" (2Ti 2:15). 

One of many examples is Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I believe the point of this passage is like saying, "It would be as though you have fallen from grace, if you could be justified by the Law." As we know, Scripture repeatedly makes it clear that the Law's intention was not to justify but to reveal what justification is, for "a man is not justified by the works of the law" (Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). 

It might be said that one cannot fall from grace any more than one could be justified by the Law: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law” – ‘on the supposition that any of you are justified by the Law; or if, as you seem to suppose, any are justified by the Law. The apostle does not say that this had in fact ever occurred; but he merely makes a supposition. If such a thing should or could occur, it would follow that you had fallen from grace’” (Albert Barnes – 1798- 1870).

“Ye are fallen from grace”; ‘that is, either from that grace which they professed to have; for there might be some in these churches, as in others, who were only nominal Christians, and formal professors; who had declared they saw themselves lost and undone sinners, destitute of a righteousness, and professed to believe in Christ alone for righteousness and strength, but now trusted in themselves, and in the works of the law.’” – John Gill (1697-1771)
 

I understand that the issue at hand that is for discussion is if the Salvation is Eternal. 

There is not specific and clear meaning as to what "Salvation" is first and then to enter into the discussion whether it is eternal or not.

Please define what "Salvation" is meant to mean in the context of the question, "is Salvation eternal?".

Cordially 

Edited July 27, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[AandW_Rootbeer]

The very Word of God itself is Eternal.   Should every Bible on Earth be destroyed, God's Holy Word still remains the same and forever.   That also makes the Word of God true in every sense of the meaning of what truth is.   And we know within the Word of God, it deals with humanity and its Soul.   It deals with the Soul because itself is also Eternal.   Salvation is a condition that solely applies to the Eternal Soul.   Since the Soul is Eternal, and Salvation is a condition of the Soul, that makes Salvation Eternal by proxy.   And going back to the meaning of God's Holy Word being Eternal, once we accept Christ as Lord and Savior, our Eternal Soul becomes a condition which can now be defined as Eternal Salvation.

From this point into the process of being Eternally Saved, we have God's Promises that we find from God's Holy Word that is Eternal.   And God's Promise is that He will never release us from the condition of our Soul being aligned with Eternal Salvation.

It literally is the best 100% Guarantee we will ever be given in terms of God's Word and His Promise in connection to our Eternal Soul.

[Alive]

I suggest a reading of the link in my signature regarding salvation...a few thoughts that I won't have to type again.

:-)

[enoob57]

The uniqueness of the Bible is that it offers life to the dead and it is Spiritual not physical because all die... death is separation from God and knowing that God 'IS' life then it is a totally new birth s/Spiritually that God offers and this world and the body is not a part of that reality... the package:
 

John 10:27-30

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.
KJV

If one's foundation is partly on God and on themselves then they have not received the gift of eternal life from God as clearly the Biblical indicator is

1 John 2:15-17

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
KJV

Simply we have the ability to not love this place nor the things it contains which removes all idolatry from one's heart and makes them able to receive the truth of this place which shall be removed from all existence even of mind... 

[WordSword]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I understand that the issue at hand that is for discussion is if the Salvation is Eternal. 

There is not specific and clear meaning as to what "Salvation" is first and then to enter into the discussion whether it is eternal or not.

Please define what "Salvation" is meant to mean in the context of the question, "is Salvation eternal?".

Cordially 

To me, salvation, redemption, is a permanent delivery from our old man's guilt and dominion. It's the sin nature (old man) that God doesn't redeem. Thus the reason for the new nature, which is eternal. The three final places in eternity are the new Heaven, new Earth and the Lake of fire.

Not certain this is what you were discussing, but thanks for addressing the article with your comment!

[WordSword]

Myself, I see Scripture intending the profession of one's belief (1Ti 6:12), which may be genuine or eventually discover not genuine, and this is where most of the confusion lies. We start with our profession and if it's genuine it will never stop, thus when one stops confessing faith, that is, leaves the outward practice of it and never returns, the profession was not genuine, thus the person was not reborn (apostatize).

Therefore it's my understanding that one who "departs" (1Ti 4:1) or "falls away" (2Th 2:3) it is one who is willingly ceasing from a hypocritical profession, e.g. leaving not salvation but a false profession of salvation, because only genuine professions continue without ceasing.

Good example might be Jhn 15:1, Jesus used the phrase "Every branch in Me":

Gill- "There are two sorts of branches in Christ the vine; the one sort are such who have only an historical faith in him, believe but for a time, and are removed; they are such who only profess to believe in him, as Simon Magus did; are in him by profession only; they submit to outward ordinances, become church members, and so are reckoned to be in Christ, being in a church state, as the churches of Judea and Thessalonica, and others, are said, in general, to he in Christ; though it is not to be thought that every individual person in these churches were truly and savingly in him. These branches are unfruitful ones; what fruit they seemed to have, withers away, and proves not to be genuine fruit; what fruit they bring forth is to themselves, and not to the glory of God, being none of the fruits of his Spirit and grace."
https://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=43&c=15
 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, WordSword said:

Myself, I see Scripture intending the profession of one's belief (1Ti 6:12), which may be genuine or eventually discover not genuine, and this is where most of the confusion lies. We start with our profession and if it's genuine it will never stop, thus when one stops confessing faith, that is, leaves the outward practice of it and never returns, the profession was not genuine, thus the person was not reborn (apostatize).

Therefore it's my understanding that one who "departs" (1Ti 4:1) or "falls away" (2Th 2:3) it is one who is willingly ceasing from a hypocritical profession, e.g. leaving not salvation but a false profession of salvation, because only genuine professions continue without ceasing.

Good example might be Jhn 15:1, Jesus used the phrase "Every branch in Me":

Gill- "There are two sorts of branches in Christ the vine; the one sort are such who have only an historical faith in him, believe but for a time, and are removed; they are such who only profess to believe in him, as Simon Magus did; are in him by profession only; they submit to outward ordinances, become church members, and so are reckoned to be in Christ, being in a church state, as the churches of Judea and Thessalonica, and others, are said, in general, to he in Christ; though it is not to be thought that every individual person in these churches were truly and savingly in him. These branches are unfruitful ones; what fruit they seemed to have, withers away, and proves not to be genuine fruit; what fruit they bring forth is to themselves, and not to the glory of God, being none of the fruits of his Spirit and grace."
https://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=43&c=15
 

The title of the post is: 

Eternal Salvation. 

Jesus said quite a few things about that and is not strange that he said those things to those who did not believe in him or to those who were not sure what to do, to believe in him or not. 

He said to them I am the Life and the Light of the world. 

Jesus told them I am the the Life and the resurection  of anyone who believes in me.

If you do not believe in me you will never be in the Life of God. 

If you refuse to believe in me you will be in your sins and if you die still refusing to believe in me you will die in your sins.

You will have nothing to do with God. Or better God will have nothing to do with you. 

I am the Life and the resurrection, if you believe in me even thought you may die pghycicaly you are still alive. Because you we alive to me and God before you die. 

That what Jesus was telling them and by his own words he also says those same words to everyone and to us. 

He was telling that anyone who believes in him is in his Life.

Jesus was telling them that they are in his Life before their phycical death and after their physical death. 

Jesus Christ was telling them that they are in the Life of God only if they believe in him. 

Jesus Christ told them there is no any other way to be in the Life of God.  

And he told them something that make many of them surrender all their doubts and believe in him and never look back.

Jesus Christ told them in my name you are in the Life of God.

Do not worry about your own righteousness. 

Your own righteousness was required the time the Law was given to you. 

And it was required from you every day and every year.

But now the righteousness of God has been revealed which is in Jesus Christ. 

Jesus Christ told them and also to all of us that he is our righteousness. 

And not to be afraid the death that came to Adam because of disobedience can never come to you or to any one who believes in me.

I always stand between you and Death, you are Safe and Secured. 

Edited July 27, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[WordSword]

Thanks for sharing!