So Many Considering SUICIDE These Days....

[Alive]

4 hours ago, clancy said:

??????......how would you know that?....I didn’t think we were allowed to discuss another’s  saving?

As you know if you answer my post, I may not be able to respond, because I’m still having problems posting.

Morning Clancy---read the post I was responding to. You will see who was being referenced.

[Guest clancy]

On 8/1/2021 at 12:41 AM, Tammy Roesch said:

My son-in-law committed suicide in front of my daughter....it was a horrendous event...

???...my friends brother hung himself, she told us most of what she can remember of him, he was emotionally unstable/ disturbed, his emotions were all over the place.

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by clancy

[Dennis1209]

On 8/1/2021 at 2:12 PM, Tammy Roesch said:

We might not see eye to eye, Miss Muffett, but I appreciate the discussion...

I believe the Bible means what it says when it says "For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything." Ecclesiastes 9:5.  Why, cause they are JUST SLEEPING.  Remember when Jesus went to Bethany to raise Lazarus who had been dead for 3 days?  Lazarus had been dead for 3 days...he would have had a real story to tell of where he had gone and who he had seen, if that was what happened.  But nothing of the sort happened.  He was just sleeping, waiting for Jesus to raise him from the dead. 
 

If the common understanding is correct, that when people die they go to Heaven...then they DO KNOW THINGS and Ecclesiastes 9:5 is wrong.  They would see all the horrible things that happen to their loves ones who are still on EARTH. How depressing that would be.  It wouldn't make Heaven a happy place.  

Good morning Tammy,

I don't have the time to read every post on this thread, my personal hermeneutics may have already been addressed. You sure did generate some good healthy conversation though 

I'm not attempting to change anyone's doctrine or worldview, just stating my own P.O.V. that is supported by scripture, with a bit of speculation.

We are triune beings, consisting of body, soul and spirit. Our souls and spirits were created immortal; as our body was immortal before the fall of Adam. Death, of the body entered into the world, and also of the soul [spiritual death]. There is no "soul sleep" as has been quoted, "absent from the body..."

I also have wondered why it's not recorded what Lazarus saw and heard during those three days? But first let's back up a bit, why is 'three days' so important with a Jewish Messiah resurrection, Lazarus's three days, the Two Witnesses laying dead in the streets three days, and a Jewish people? 

Excluding the Sadducees [which do not believe in a resurrection], the Jewish belief is; a body cannot be resurrected after 'two' days, because of rigor mortis [stiffness, sign of death] and bodily decay. This removes any doubt if the person was actually physically dead or not. Ever touched or moved a dead body after 24 hours?

2 Corinthians 12:2 (KJV) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The apostle Paul was restricted [unlawful] to speak of what her saw and heard in Heaven. The apostle John was restricted to not revealing what the "Seven Thunders" spoke, and so on... It stands to reason, that Lazarus was also prohibited from speaking about his experience. The Lord allows and restricts what He will. 

The Bible uses the word "sleep" for those in the Lord, because that's exactly what the body looks like; they are sleeping.  

Resurrection: ἀνάστασις anastasis, an-as´-tas-is; from 450; a standing up again, i.e. (lit.) a resurrection from death (individual, gen. or by impl. [its author]), or (fig.) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):—raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again. James Strong, A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2009), 11.

The body is physically raised and the soul reunites with the body. All will be eventually raised; some to glory, some to everlasting shame and torment. 

The rich man, the counterpart of the other Lazarus, is not soul sleeping; he is in jail in Haides, under great torment, conscience with all his senses; awaiting the Great White Throne judgment for the eternal prison, the Lake of Fire. 

Our 'judgment' comes at the BEMA seat of Christ. But, this is not for condemnation, it's to give an account of our lives, and receive our rewards and crowns, if any. I cannot prove it, but I suspect we will be witnesses at the Great White Throne judgment. And witness our lost family and loved ones being condemned for all of eternity? If that turns out to be true; how could we bear it?

It seems logical that we will fully understand the Holiness and righteousness of God and completely understand. I've often wondered, when God wipes away all our tears, exactly at what point of what we know and see does that happen? 

Just my thoughts Tammy.

 

[Alive]

On 8/1/2021 at 5:48 PM, Alive said:

On 8/1/2021 at 5:43 PM, Tammy Roesch said:

I've met people who are real Christians who get very discouraged.  Think about it, ALIVE... Do you believe Jonah was a Christian?  I do.  He wanted to die... Jonah 4:3 ~ "Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live."
Then there was Elijah....remember, he had just had a tremendous victory, God answered his prayer for rain after no rain for 3 years...and that very night, he went from being on top of the mountain (physically and spiritually) to the lowest valley (physically and spiritually).  He too, wanted to die.  Many GOOD CHRISTIANS hit LOW spots in their life...and Satan knows when they are there and tries to discourage them so that they will snuff their life out, and be LOST.

 

These did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit...consider this. They were not Alive In Christ.

@clancyThis is what I was referring to---not anybody on the forum. I hope this clears it up for you.