The Sabbath

[Marathoner]

7 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Yes, I know the sabbath is the seventh day of the week, but for those who would argue the sabbath must be Saturday, or the sabbath must be Sunday, I'd like to know which day of the week if the last day of the week, according to the Bible.

It depends upon the calendar used, John. Seeing as how the calendar we're familiar with was devised and established by others long ago, we can only go by what we know and were reared with. For us, the "week end" is Saturday and Sunday, Sunday being the last day of the week. 

Note "for us." The ancient Hebrews reckoned the calendar in a different manner, using a system that was commonplace throughout Asia Minor in their day. There are nuances which require volumes writing to express; this is where the ever-elusive common sense comes into play. 

[johnthebaptist]

7 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I added some much-needed humor to this topic, John. We should not take ourselves so seriously, knowing that we see darkly and know only in part. Thus the apostle encourages us not to be high-minded, and not to be wise in our opinion. 

Were we taking ourselves too seriously?

[johnthebaptist]

2 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

It depends upon the calendar used, John. Seeing as how the calendar we're familiar with was devised and established by others long ago, we can only go by what we know and were reared with. For us, the "week end" is Saturday and Sunday, Sunday being the last day of the week. 

Note "for us." The ancient Hebrews reckoned the calendar in a different manner, using a system that was commonplace throughout Asia Minor in their day. There are nuances which require volumes writing to express; this is where the ever-elusive common sense comes into play. 

If I had work to do on Sundays, I would carve out time later in the week to get my rest. I guess I do that still.

[Omegaman 3.0]

Seriously, how can this topic take so much space?

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.

and

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Could it be any clearer? To those that take the Bible (all of the Bible) seriously, I would think that we would see that it does not matter. One day in seven, you can make a case for, that you should rest. Which day, originally the 7th, yes, Saturday. Now however, since New Testament times, pick a day (unless you think you are more of an authority than the apostle Paul), any day! 

Paul probably knew the Old Testament better than anyone here, and he wrote most of the New Testament, or is not not good enough to settle the issue.

In any case, the sabbath was not about the day you worship on, we worship ALL THE TIME, in everything we do! Sabbath is about ceasing from your labor, resting.

Now is suggest we give it a rest also!

[Marathoner]

4 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

If I had work to do on Sundays, I would carve out time later in the week to get my rest. I guess I do that still.

I'm given plenty of time to rest. I think @Omegaman 3.0 makes an excellent point. Let's rest and give this a rest!

[johnthebaptist]

6 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I'm given plenty of time to rest. I think @Omegaman 3.0 makes an excellent point. Let's rest and give this a rest!

Not your favorite topic, eh? I enjoy a discussion on Matthew 4:17, but everybody gets upset with me when I start discussing that.

[Alive]

10 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Seriously, how can this topic take so much space?

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.

and

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Could it be any clearer? To those that take the Bible (all of the Bible) seriously, I would think that we would see that it does not matter. One day in seven, you can make a case for, that you should rest. Which day, originally the 7th, yes, Saturday. Now however, since New Testament times, pick a day (unless you think you are more of an authority than the apostle Paul), any day! 

Paul probably knew the Old Testament better than anyone here, and he wrote most of the New Testament, or is not not good enough to settle the issue.

In any case, the sabbath was not about the day you worship on, we worship ALL THE TIME, in everything we do! Sabbath is about ceasing from your labor, resting.

Now is suggest we give it a rest also!

All of that has been posted. Much of this discussion has been with an SDA, so it was necessary to get into it some.

[Alive]

I do agree that enough has been discussed. I will lock it, but leave it up.

[Omegaman 3.0]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

All of that has been posted. Much of this discussion has been with an SDA, so it was necessary to get into it some.

Sure, I get that there are those who want to advance the questionable doctrines of Seventh Day Adventism. Of course, the Sabbath is not the only thing to discuss in that regard.

I realize that this is a specific topic, it just strikes me that is does not take 13 pages to exhaust it.

For example, suppose there are 100 verses that say "keep the sabbath" and 100 verses that say the sabbath it the 7th day.

Suppose that we can make the case that the 7th day is Saturday (not impossible to try, but to prove that our Saturday, is a number of days since the creation that is evenly divisible by 7, would be a stretch).

However, even if we were to grant all of that, we still have a problem. If there is a verse in the Bible that says it does not matter, and it is up to the individual to be persuaded in his own mind which view to take, then it seems to me that settles the issue, unless the Bible is self contradictory.

If people are OK with the concept that inspired scripture contradicts itself, that is up to them, but I certainly will not take that position!

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Sure, I get that there are those who want to advance the questionable doctrines of Seventh Day Adventism. Of course, the Sabbath is not the only thing to discuss in that regard.

I realize that this is a specific topic, it just strikes me that is does not take 13 pages to exhaust it.

For example, suppose there are 100 verses that say "keep the sabbath" and 100 verses that say the sabbath it the 7th day.

Suppose that we can make the case that the 7th day is Saturday (not impossible to try, but to prove that our Saturday, is a number of days since the creation that is evenly divisible by 7, would be a stretch).

However, even if we were to grant all of that, we still have a problem. If there is a verse in the Bible that says it does not matter, and it is up to the individual to be persuaded in his own mind which view to take, then it seems to me that settles the issue, unless the Bible is self contradictory.

If people are OK with the concept that inspired scripture contradicts itself, that is up to them, but I certainly will not take that position!

Yes--those scriptures and much more were posted, but ignored as well as good logic and teaching about the true 'Rest' being Christ and how the Sabbath both illustrated and pointed to Him--that Rest that we get to enter--ceasing from our own works and what is associated with it.

:-)