The Sabbath

[appy]

Just now, Chicken coop2 said:

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I'll save that for later

[Tammy Roesch]

7 minutes ago, appy said:

I don't care how many churches observe the sabbath! Those who wish to observe the sabbath, will do so and those who do NOT, will NOT observe it, PERIOD. Just as you can't make a horse drink water, you can't force another to accept your views regarding this.

We are not limited to meeting on just one day, since no day has been specifically set aside by God for “CHRISTIAN” fellowship and worship. We are always in the presence of God and worship him continually because He and Christ reside in us through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

No reason to get upset, Appy.  I'm not trying to FORCE anyone to accept the Sabbath.  I'm just explaining to you my understanding of the Sabbath and our duty as Christians to obey the Bible.  People are free to choose whatever they want to choose.

[appy]

I'm not upset at all.  Just as you are making your point, so am I.  With that said,  you're not the first person to "explain" the sabbath to us or why you feel it is important to you.  There is a plethora of threads on this, and neither side has ever gained ground.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

No reason to get upset, Appy.  I'm not trying to FORCE anyone to accept the Sabbath.  I'm just explaining to you my understanding of the Sabbath and our duty as Christians to obey the Bible.  People are free to choose whatever they want to choose.

And you have done so and people have and will choose what to do with this.

Its a very old subject and this is not the first thread on it.

You are SDA, so folks get it. We are giving you some latitude, don't abuse it.

I don't care what day folks observe or not observe--that is irrelavant.

What is beneath this discussion and what drives it---and always does in my 46 some years as a believer--is the lack of apprehension of the principle of law opposed to the principle of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We, who have been set free, have the law written on our hearts and the Holy Spirit withing to guide us.

Ample scriptures have been posted regarding this and have been ignored.

[Tammy Roesch]

7 minutes ago, Alive said:

And you have done so and people have and will choose what to do with this.

Its a very old subject and this is not the first thread on it.

You are SDA, so folks get it. We are giving you some latitude, don't abuse it.

I don't care what day folks observe or not observe--that is irrelavant.

What is beneath this discussion and what drives it---and always does in my 46 some years as a believer--is the lack of apprehension of the principle of law opposed to the principle of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We, who have been set free, have the law written on our hearts and the Holy Spirit withing to guide us.

Ample scriptures have been posted regarding this and have been ignored.

ALIVE, I've asked multiple times and NOT ONE has given me an answer. Should I assume that by throwing out the 4th Commandment, you also throw out the other 9?  If not, where is your justification that you can choose which ones you obey and which ones you don't, especially when GOD Himself wrote them, and wrote them in STONE (signifying that they will NEVER CHANGE) and on top of that told us to REMEMBER the very one most of Christendom is trying to forget?

You say, "we are giving you some latitude, don't abuse it."  I hope you realize I didn't start this thread.  I only responded to the OP. And as other people comment, I responded back.  I don't really understand how that is even coming close to "abusing" whatever "latitude" I've been given.

If you choose to not care which day people should worship on, that is fine.  But, God does care or He wouldn't have said REMEMBER.  

If you want to close the thread, that is fine, too. I just hope that you won't remove it, so that others can study for themselves and see wherein the TRUTH lies....

Oh, one other thought... you said, "We, who have been set free, have the law written on our hearts and the Holy Spirit within to guide us."  God isn't going to write ONE LAW on Tables of Stone and a DIFFERENT LAW on our hearts.  He writes the SAME LAW on both.

[Alive]

Your question is a Straw Man. None of the 10 are thrown out. Nobody thinks that way.

The Sabbath goes back to Genesis and was included in the 10 because of its importance to God's redemptive Plan. It is unique to the other 9. As has been stated, the Sabbath is a type of and points to what it truly represents--the finality of that REST as/is found 'In Christ'. The TRUE rest of ceasing from our own works in terms of satisfying the Righteous requirement of our Almighty God---accomplished by our God and Savior Jesus Christ--for us--so that we can enter that REST.

Keeping the sabbath as a particular day is a 'form of Godliness'--not the reality OF IT.

[walla299]

On 8/2/2021 at 4:52 PM, Tammy Roesch said:

You are right...God has given us all the FREE CHOICE whether or not we want to obey Him.

He does say, "IF ye love Me, KEEP My Commandments."  That is why I keep the Sabbath....because I love Him.

Had to revisit this because its been on my mind lately. 

I've noticed in the vast majority of discussions like this that at some point the implication arises that one person loves the Lord more than another who doesn't choose to practice whatever the discussion subject is. That is not a personal attack, by the way. It's an observation based on experience in the real world - just like at my former church.

Another version of the argument goes something like this:

"Well, you can't be a real Christian if you do/don't (fill in the blank.)

This is something we usually call manipulation, and it doesn't work very well to change anyone's mind. 

[Tammy Roesch]

1 minute ago, walla299 said:

Had to revisit this because its been on my mind lately. 

I've noticed in the vast majority of discussions like this that at some point the implication arises that one person loves the Lord more than another who doesn't choose to practice whatever the discussion subject is. That is not a personal attack, by the way. It's an observation based on experience in the real world - just like at my former church.

Another version of the argument goes something like this:

"Well, you can't be a real Christian if you do/don't (fill in the blank.)

I've heard that one too in on some other discussions. This is something we usually call manipulation, and it doesn't work very well to change anyone's mind. 

Walla299, I am not the one that said, "If ye love Me, keep My Commandments."  That is a THERMOMETER that the Lord has given us, whereby we can TEST our own souls, and see if we truly love Him.  If you have a problem with that, your problem is with HIM, not me :).

[Tammy Roesch]

30 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Forgive me for coming to the party late but who threw out the Fourth Commandment? 

When we say it's not necessary to obey the 4th Commandment, to me, that is the same as throwing it out. No?

[Tammy Roesch]

31 minutes ago, Alive said:

Your question is a Straw Man. None of the 10 are thrown out. Nobody thinks that way.

The Sabbath goes back to Genesis and was included in the 10 because of its importance to God's redemptive Plan. It is unique to the other 9. As has been stated, the Sabbath is a type of and points to what it truly represents--the finality of that REST as/is found 'In Christ'. The TRUE rest of ceasing from our own works in terms of satisfying the Righteous requirement of our Almighty God---accomplished by our God and Savior Jesus Christ--for us--so that we can enter that REST.

Keeping the sabbath as a particular day is a 'form of Godliness'--not the reality OF IT.

It's not a STRONG MAN argument at all.  When God wrote something with His own finger and put it in STONE and tells us to REMEMBER it, I think when we say that it's not necessary to obey Him...well, it is putting OUR understanding above His.  

But, I realize many are finding this an uncomfortable discussion. It's not up to me to convince anyone...that is the Holy Spirit's job...so for now, I'm going to back out of this discussion.