Do You Believe Homosexuals are Reprobates?

[AandW_Rootbeer]

3 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Sodom. 

I wonder how many assumed words were added throughout the entire KJV Bible? It appears to be based upon King James assumptions versus the Hebrew Torah that existed before his English miscues.

[appy]

2 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

I wonder how many assumed words were added throughout the entire KJV Bible? It appears to be based upon King James assumptions versus the Hebrew Torah that existed before his English miscues.

Doesn't matter, For God through the Holy Spirit is fully able to reveal Himself to us and what He requires of us.

[Arrabon]

16 hours ago, appy said:

The dictionary defines it as...

A depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person.  In short, a sinner.

Thank you @appy

Yeah, that pretty much describes me before my conversion, and even maybe some leftovers for a while afterwards.

Thanks for the response .

Arrabon

[Riverwalker]

On 8/6/2021 at 2:57 AM, Tammy Roesch said:

I hope not!

On another forum I'm on, a poster made a long post and stated that they are hopelessly lost, that they can never change or repent.  I cannot understand a Christian thinking like that?  The same punishment that was given for homosexuality in the OT was given also for fornication and adultery ~ STONING.  We serve a God who can CHANGE lives...that is the BEAUTY of the Gospel.  No one can be saved IN their sins...but we can all be saved FROM our sins :).  I hope we are all on the same page!

To my knowledge there is only one sin that is not forgivable.  And except f0r that only one that is not forgiven.  The unrepented sin. 1 Corinthians 6  lists many sins that can keep you from heaven, and then encourages to turn away from them

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

We were all sinners....we cannot ever claim any righteousness of our own

 

Love the picture btw  very cheery

Edited August 10, 2021 by Riverwalker

[AandW_Rootbeer]

8 hours ago, appy said:

Doesn't matter, For God through the Holy Spirit is fully able to reveal Himself to us and what He requires of us.

Agreed!

 

But because the addition from King James, readers assume God is calling Same Sex Men, Sodomites.

 

God called them the same as a Woman who prostituted in the Hebrew Tongue.

 

We've assigned a name to a condition/situation that does not apply.   Sure, it can be reasoned even what we read in the KJV is true towards Same Sex Men.   We can even reason it equals sodomy in our moralistic view.   But a Prostitute means something different than a Sodomite.

[vic66]

18 hours ago, appy said:

The dictionary defines it as...

A depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person.  In short, a sinner.

Roman 1kjv bible say's God gave them over to a reproate mind regard how might feel about it this is what the apostle teached

²⁰ For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

²¹ Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

²² Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

²³ And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

²⁴ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

²⁵ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

²⁶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

²⁷ And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

²⁸ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

²⁹ Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

³⁰ Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

³¹ Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

³² Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[Alive]

INteresting how the KJV translated this to effeminate.

GK G3434 | S G3120   μαλακός   malakos   4x  

soft; soft to the touch, delicate, Mt. 11:8; Lk. 7:25; met. an instrument of unnatural lust, effeminate, 1 Cor. 6:9*

The word is also found in these verses.

 

Matt. 11:8 (KJVS) But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses.

Luke 7:25 (KJVS) But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.

1Cor. 6:9 (KJVS)   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

[vic66]

On 8/6/2021 at 10:57 AM, Tammy Roesch said:

I hope not!

On another forum I'm on, a poster made a long post and stated that they are hopelessly lost, that they can never change or repent.  I cannot understand a Christian thinking like that?  The same punishment that was given for homosexuality in the OT was given also for fornication and adultery ~ STONING.  We serve a God who can CHANGE lives...that is the BEAUTY of the Gospel.  No one can be saved IN their sins...but we can all be saved FROM our sins :).  I hope we are all on the same page!

KJV Dictionary Definition: reprobate

reprobate

REPROBATE, a. L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.

2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

reprobated

REP'ROBATED, pp. Disapproved with abhorrence; rejected; abandoned to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobateness

REP'ROBATENESS, n. The state of being reprobate.

reprobating

REP'ROBATING, ppr. Disapproving with extreme dislike; rejecting; abandoning to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobation

REPROBA'TION, n. L. reprobatio.

1. The act of disallowing with detestation, or of expressing extreme dislike.

2. The act of abandoning or state of being abandoned to eternal destruction.

When a sinner is so hardened as to feel no remorse or misgiving of conscience, it is considered as a sign of reprobation.

3. A condemnatory sentence; rejection.

Set a brand of reprobation on clipped poetry and false coin.

[vic66]

1 minute ago, vic66 said:

KJV Dictionary Definition: reprobate

reprobate

REPROBATE, a. L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.

2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

reprobated

REP'ROBATED, pp. Disapproved with abhorrence; rejected; abandoned to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobateness

REP'ROBATENESS, n. The state of being reprobate.

reprobating

REP'ROBATING, ppr. Disapproving with extreme dislike; rejecting; abandoning to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobation

REPROBA'TION, n. L. reprobatio.

1. The act of disallowing with detestation, or of expressing extreme dislike.

2. The act of abandoning or state of being abandoned to eternal destruction.

When a sinner is so hardened as to feel no remorse or misgiving of conscience, it is considered as a sign of reprobation.

3. A condemnatory sentence; rejection.

Set a brand of reprobation on clipped poetry and false coin.

When homosexual, lesbians and bisexual rejoice in sin and shame and refuse to repent they fulfil  Roman 1.

when they are convicted and turn from their former wicked life in faith and repentance. God grace is available to blot out their sins as far as the east is to the west God remembers them no more.

We the christians are the one's who really care for and love them. We dont want them to die and end up in the lake of fire.

That's why we warn them of the serious danger ahead, and give them the good news of the gospel. If they will hear the truth angels rejoice in heaven if they reject it bad news ahead.(fire and brimestone) 

 

[vic66]

19 hours ago, biblelesson said:

One of the sad things we don't alway understand about the gay community is the reason many are gay.  I had an opportunity to speak with someone who was so willing to tell his story.  He was saddened that no one ever asked him the question of why he was gay.  He told me that when he was a little boy, his father would whip him severely if he played with girls.  Maybe his father wanted to prevent him from getting a young girl pregnant or something, but apparently he went overboard.  But, this gay guy said he was so afraid of his father that he would never play with girls, nor talk to them.  But because his father never said anything about boys, he didn't think anything was wrong when he was approached by an older male at school one day.  He said he was molested, but because of how his father punished him about girls, he thought it was the correct thing to do at a very young age.  

So that started his life with males.  Of course as he got older, he realized he was wrong.  But now he's caught, and it's truly like any addiction.  He can't let it go.  It has all of the hallmarks of addiction: Shame, guilt, disgust, inability to stop, etc. etc.  Anyone who is caught in a real addiction cannot let it go. And the shame and guilt is so strong, they need help to stop.  But because he feels so ashamed about it, he dare not talk to anyone about getting help.  He's in a real catch 22. 

So, sometimes, it's more than just a person is a horrible person for doing such a thing.  No, it's more than we can understand.  This person is a wonderful person, but just caught in 1) unresolved feelings over the abuse by a father, 2) unresolved guilt over abuse by an older person, 3) lifestyle forced upon him, and 4) struggle go overcome.  

Can you imagine a young child whose father psychologically abuse them for years.  No human being can help that person, only God.  Because to that young mind, the father was God.  

 

 

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  On 8/6/2021 at 10:57 AM, Tammy Roesch said:

I hope not!

On another forum I'm on, a poster made a long post and stated that they are hopelessly lost, that they can never change or repent.  I cannot understand a Christian thinking like that?  The same punishment that was given for homosexuality in the OT was given also for fornication and adultery ~ STONING.  We serve a God who can CHANGE lives...that is the BEAUTY of the Gospel.  No one can be saved IN their sins...but we can all be saved FROM our sins :).  I hope we are all on the same page!

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KJV Dictionary Definition: reprobate

reprobate

REPROBATE, a. L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.

2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

reprobated

REP'ROBATED, pp. Disapproved with abhorrence; rejected; abandoned to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobateness

REP'ROBATENESS, n. The state of being reprobate.

reprobating

REP'ROBATING, ppr. Disapproving with extreme dislike; rejecting; abandoning to wickedness or to destruction.

reprobation

REPROBA'TION, n. L. reprobatio.

1. The act of disallowing with detestation, or of expressing extreme dislike.

2. The act of abandoning or state of being abandoned to eternal destruction.

When a sinner is so hardened as to feel no remorse or misgiving of conscience, it is considered as a sign of reprobation.