Do You Believe Homosexuals are Reprobates?

[Kelly2363]

46 minutes ago, Alive said:

INteresting how the KJV translated this to effeminate.

GK G3434 | S G3120   μαλακός   malakos   4x  

soft; soft to the touch, delicate, Mt. 11:8; Lk. 7:25; met. an instrument of unnatural lust, effeminate, 1 Cor. 6:9*

The word is also found in these verses.

 

Matt. 11:8 (KJVS) But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses.

Luke 7:25 (KJVS) But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.

1Cor. 6:9 (KJVS)   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

 

malakos (μαλακός, 3120), “soft, soft to the touch” (Lat., mollis, Eng., “mollify,” “emollient,” etc.), is used (a) of raiment, Matt. 11:8 (twice); Luke 7:25; (b) metaphorically, in a bad sense, 1 Cor. 6:9, “effeminate,” not simply of a male who practices forms of lewdness, but persons in general, who are guilty of addiction to sins of the flesh, voluptuous.

neque		molles	,	neque		masculorum		concubitores	,
οὔτε18		μαλακοὶ19		οὔτε20		ἀρσενοκοῖται21		←
οὔτε		μαλακός		οὔτε		ἀρσενοκοίτης
CLK CLD TN		JNPM		CLK CLD TN		NNPM
3777		3120		3777		733

 

 

 

[Alive]

From Thayer:

 

3120. μαλακός; malakos, malakē, malakon, soft; soft to the touch: himatia, Matt. 11:8 R G L brackets; Luke 7:25 (himatiōn polutelōn kai malakōn, Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 1, 78; esthēs, Homer, Odyssey 23, 290; Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 2, 3; chitōn, Homer, Iliad 2, 42); and simply ta malaka, soft raiment (see leukos, 1): Matt. 11:8 T Tr WH. Like the Latin mollis, metaphorically, and in a bad sense: effeminate, of a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness, 1 Cor. 6:9 (Dionysius Halicarnassus, Antiquities 7, 2 under the end; (Diogenes Laërtius 7, 173 at the end)).*

[Kelly2363]

19 minutes ago, Alive said:

From Thayer:

 

3120. μαλακός; malakos, malakē, malakon, soft; soft to the touch: himatia, Matt. 11:8 R G L brackets; Luke 7:25 (himatiōn polutelōn kai malakōn, Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 1, 78; esthēs, Homer, Odyssey 23, 290; Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 2, 3; chitōn, Homer, Iliad 2, 42); and simply ta malaka, soft raiment (see leukos, 1): Matt. 11:8 T Tr WH. Like the Latin mollis, metaphorically, and in a bad sense: effeminate, of a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness, 1 Cor. 6:9 (Dionysius Halicarnassus, Antiquities 7, 2 under the end; (Diogenes Laërtius 7, 173 at the end)).*

 

Thats a benefit of being willing to look to antiquity and greek sources to understand why a latin [molles] or greek [malakos] term is translated the way it is translated and to sense in derivation the enormity of not being judgemental yet knowing the gravity of what is being given us in the preserved Word of God. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Kelly2363
Correction of Latin Spelling. Lexical mollie to Script molles..

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Thats a benefit of being willing to look to antiquity and greek sources to understand why a latin [mollis] or greek [malakos] term is translated the way it is translated and to sense in derivation the enormity of not being judgemental yet knowing the gravity of what is being given us in the preserved Word of God. 

Yup---I have many resources that I refer to when some clarity is needed or desired.

There is a massive body of work that has been produced by my siblings over the centuries and I am encouraged by this.

[appy]

On 8/8/2021 at 7:10 PM, AandW_Rootbeer said:

The Bible does not actually classify Same Sex scenarios. 

It always is in reference to the sexual act between Same Sex that is upheld as an Abomination unto God.

 

The Word of God, does not come right out and assign a term for people involved in Same Sex relationships, or based just on merit of preference for Same Sex.

 

So we have no Scriptural Evidence that God had anything against people who even had only an interest in Same Sex.   We have terms like Self Pleasure, Desires, Lust.   But we currently have those same terms for Adultery and other immoral sex acts.

 

The only thing we ever read where God disclaims that we know Same Sex is wrong, is God made Male and Female to procreate.   Not happening in Same Sex Partnerships.   But God called the intimate act between Same Sex as being an ABOMINATION.

 

 

So, the Word of God does not come right out and declare people who may struggle with finding the Same Sex attractive as being <Guilty> of any wrong doing. But the Word of God does declare being intimate between Same Sex is a flat out Abomination.

 

a·bom·i·na·tion

/əˌbäməˈnāSH(ə)n/

noun

 

1. a thing that causes disgust or hatred.

Matthew 19:4-5 (NASB)

And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said, ‘for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh

Lets also look at Genesis 2:18 (NASB)

Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.”

So God, right from the beginning, instituted suitable relationships. And yes, the Matthew passage does indeed address homosexual activities. Scripture elsewhere says sex of any kind outside of marriage between a man and a woman is unsuitable. God is the author and designer of marriage right from the beginning.

Interesting that Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:2 spells out what suitable relationships look like

But because of sexual immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

He doesn't say... its ok for guys to have a boyfriend for a spouse and gals to have girlfriend for a spouse Paul iterates what God says is suitable and appropriate. “Each man is to have his own wife” And “each woman is to have her own husband”

It is pretty clear from the few scriptures I've posted that any homosexual scenario is totally inappropriate. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The above passage is an outline that sin originates from the heart and mind. And if a person dwells on a wrong desire in his/her heart and nurses the desire... sin has a place to grow and will then manifest itself outwardly. Homosexuals, like everybody else are not immune to lusting in the heart.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

9 hours ago, appy said:

Matthew 19:4-5 (NASB)

And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said, ‘for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh

Lets also look at Genesis 2:18 (NASB)

Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.”

So God, right from the beginning, instituted suitable relationships. And yes, the Matthew passage does indeed address homosexual activities. Scripture elsewhere says sex of any kind outside of marriage between a man and a woman is unsuitable. God is the author and designer of marriage right from the beginning.

Interesting that Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:2 spells out what suitable relationships look like

But because of sexual immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

He doesn't say... its ok for guys to have a boyfriend for a spouse and gals to have girlfriend for a spouse Paul iterates what God says is suitable and appropriate. “Each man is to have his own wife” And “each woman is to have her own husband”

It is pretty clear from the few scriptures I've posted that any homosexual scenario is totally inappropriate. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The above passage is an outline that sin originates from the heart and mind. And if a person dwells on a wrong desire in his/her heart and nurses the desire... sin has a place to grow and will then manifest itself outwardly. Homosexuals, like everybody else are not immune to lusting in the heart.

Excellent Scripture References