Is that His real name Jesus?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Thank God that we can blame our American friends. 

That gets the Aussies of then!

Your humor is not appreciated. 

Certainly there is a reason there is something that you do not like, and by separating this sentence from the rest of the post your position taken may be seen that you did not find anything else to disagree with the rest of the post.

Your comment is acknoeledge as there are not enouph evidence to establish that as an absolute. 

 

But it is for the same reasons that the Aussies and the Americans began to used this name and became popular. 

They both had found themselves in a new uncharted territory and they had to endured hardship in the same way as when the Israelites were about to enter and after they enter the Canaan.

They looked up to leaders like Joshua. 

So to make their children strong they began to name them Joshua. 

Thank for reading and agreeing with the rest of the post and thanks to the other poster for posting his comments That gave the reason to post.

Do you understand Latin? 

Along with the movies also came the actors and with the actors along came the popularity of their names. 

The most popular movies were in English and appealed to english speaking culture, this is why you will find the people began to name their children after the actors and other successful and popular people.  

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In the Septuagint, all instances of the word "Yehoshua" are rendered as "Ἰησοῦς" (Iēsoūs), the closest Greek pronunciation of the Aramaic: ישוע‎ Yeshua. Thus, in modern Greek, Joshua is called "Jesus son of Naue" (τοῦ Ναυή) to differentiate him from Jesus.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

I do not know where you got this from, or if it is something out of your own research. 

And I do not want to put you in a position to defend something you have erroneously believed.  

Or you may have another secondary argument to support your statement above that, 

"His name would definitely begin in a "Y" and the Greek having no "Y" would use a "J" instead."

The Greek alphabet.

And Jesus is in the English language 

Wikipedia's below 

Jesus (name)

 

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For the central figure of Christianity, see Jesus.

For other uses, see Jesus (disambiguation).

Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name IESVS in Classical Latin, Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew and Aramaic name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎).^[1][2] As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.^[3]

 

^{*** using the first two letters of the name ΙΗΣΟΥΣ "JESUS" in uppercase. ... The name Jesus, spelt "ΙΗΣΟΥΣ" in Greek capitals, has the abbreviations IHS (also written JHS, IHC, or ΙΗΣ), the name Christus , spelt "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ", has XP (and inflectional variants such as IX, XPO, XPS, XPI, XPM).}

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Joshua is a given name derived from the Hebrew יהושע‎ (Yehoshua), prominently belonging to Joshua, an early Hebrew leader of the Exodus period who has a major role in several books of the Bible. The name was a common alternative form of the name יֵשׁוּעַ‎ yēšūă which corresponds to the Greek spelling Ἰησοῦς (Iesous), from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.[5][6] As a result of the origin of the name, a majority of people before the 17th century who have this name were Jewish. A variant, truncated form of the name, Josh, gained popularity in the United States in the 1970s.

"In the case of the name “Yeshua”, the Greek-speaking world did the best they could to transliterate his name. Usually, this involves a relatively easy process of swapping like-sounding letters so a reader would end up making the same sound when pronouncing the name. In many cases, this is not a problem. But in the case of the name “Yeshua,” there are four problems in bringing it across to Greek. Two of them are the fact that the ancient Greek language did not contain two of the sounds found in the name Yeshua. This may come as a surprise to English speaking people, but the fact is, the ancient Greek language did not contain any “y” sound as in “yes”, nor did it have a “sh” sound as in “show”. The closest sound a Greek-speaking person could come to making a “y” sound was by putting the two Greek letters Iota and Eta together and coming up with an “ee-ay” sound. And the closest a Greek-speaking person could come to making the “sh” sound was the “s” sound made by the letter Sigma. With these two changes, “Yeshua”, pronounced by a Greek-speaking person would naturally come out sounding like  “ee-ay-soo-ah”. The third problem with transliterating “Yeshua” is the fact that traditionally, masculine Greek names never ended in a vowel sound. Those that did were generally given the letter  Sigma or “s” as a suffix. This tradition might well have been derived from the fact that the name of the Greek god  Zeus ended with Sigma. This tradition is seen in familiar Biblical names, where  Judah became Judas, Cephah (which means “rock”) became Cephas, Apollo became Apollos, Barnabie became  Barnabas, Matthew became Matthias and so on. So “ee-ay-soo-ah” needed to become “ee-ay-soo-ah-s”. The fourth problem is that the two vowel sounds before the “s” do not flow and are virtually never seen in Greek. So the last vowel sound was dropped as it was in other names and we were left with  “ee-ay-soos”.  Aside from the added tradition of giving the name a masculine sound, this is the closest a Greek-speaking person could come to transliterating the name Yeshua. By this point, the name Yeshua had lost all of its meaning and 75% of its sound. The last vestige of its sound was found in the “oo” (as in “soon”) sound.  Yeshua was known as “ee-ay-soos” to the Greek-speaking world for nearly 400 years. "

[Kelly2363]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Do you understand Latin? 

 

Et tu, Brute?

[AandW_Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

"In the case of the name “Yeshua”, the Greek-speaking world did the best they could to transliterate his name. Usually, this involves a relatively easy process of swapping like-sounding letters so a reader would end up making the same sound when pronouncing the name. In many cases, this is not a problem. But in the case of the name “Yeshua,” there are four problems in bringing it across to Greek. Two of them are the fact that the ancient Greek language did not contain two of the sounds found in the name Yeshua. This may come as a surprise to English speaking people, but the fact is, the ancient Greek language did not contain any “y” sound as in “yes”, nor did it have a “sh” sound as in “show”. The closest sound a Greek-speaking person could come to making a “y” sound was by putting the two Greek letters Iota and Eta together and coming up with an “ee-ay” sound. And the closest a Greek-speaking person could come to making the “sh” sound was the “s” sound made by the letter Sigma. With these two changes, “Yeshua”, pronounced by a Greek-speaking person would naturally come out sounding like  “ee-ay-soo-ah”. The third problem with transliterating “Yeshua” is the fact that traditionally, masculine Greek names never ended in a vowel sound. Those that did were generally given the letter  Sigma or “s” as a suffix. This tradition might well have been derived from the fact that the name of the Greek god  Zeus ended with Sigma. This tradition is seen in familiar Biblical names, where  Judah became Judas, Cephah (which means “rock”) became Cephas, Apollo became Apollos, Barnabie became  Barnabas, Matthew became Matthias and so on. So “ee-ay-soo-ah” needed to become “ee-ay-soo-ah-s”. The fourth problem is that the two vowel sounds before the “s” do not flow and are virtually never seen in Greek. So the last vowel sound was dropped as it was in other names and we were left with  “ee-ay-soos”.  Aside from the added tradition of giving the name a masculine sound, this is the closest a Greek-speaking person could come to transliterating the name Yeshua. By this point, the name Yeshua had lost all of its meaning and 75% of its sound. The last vestige of its sound was found in the “oo” (as in “soon”) sound.  Yeshua was known as “ee-ay-soos” to the Greek-speaking world for nearly 400 years. "

This is why in Spiritual Warfare, it's good to be pronouncing not just God's name correctly, but correctly, so the Enemy of God understands who you are talking about!

Edited August 12, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[Kelly2363]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your humor is not appreciated. 

Certainly there is a reason there is something that you do not like, and by separating this sentence from the rest of the post your position taken may be seen that you did not find anything else to disagree with the rest of the post.

Your comment is acknoeledge as there are not enouph evidence to establish that as an absolute.

I believe this (below) is a sense of what you were saying in your post:

Genesis 49:18 is the first time in the Scriptures that salvation by inference of nominative case is made direct reference to.

The Hebrew says:

ִֽישׁוּעָתְָ֖ קִוִּ֥יתִי יְהוָֽה׃ (v18)

(v18) I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.

The word ְישׁוּעָת is used in speaking of God’s deliverance.

יְשׁוּעָה ( yeshu’sh) or יְשׁוּעָה (âshuwʿah) from the root יָשַׁע (yasha).

This same deliverance of God is used in other passages of Scripture, but here in Genesis 49:18 - this is the first time the word is used. It is the same in meaning as God is my deliverer.

The Hebrew derivation ישׁוּעָת is employed in Exodus 17:9 as יְהֹושֻׁעַ and translated Joshua.

וַיֹּ֨אמֶר מֹשֶׁ֤ה אֶל־יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ בְּחַר־לָ֣נוּ אֲנָשִׁ֔ים וְצֵ֖א הִלָּחֵ֣ם בַּעֲמָלֵ֑ק מָחָ֗ר אָנֹכִ֤י נִצָּב֙.

So Moses said to Joshua, “Choose men for us and go out, fight against Amalek. Tomorrow I will station myself on the top of the hill with the staff of God in my hand.”

The Greek name Iesous (Ιησους̂) from which the name Jesus is derived is a transliteration of the Hebrew name, Joshua, meaning, Jehovah is salvation.

Literally, Saviour.

As it is written, “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21).

Finally In Luke 2:30 we read how Simeon prophesied saying, ‘mine eyes have seen the salvation of the Lord, while he bore Christ up in his arms, and hence we understand that the Lord Jesus is our salvation because He is our Saviour.

In Christ

[Kelly2363]

19 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Yeshu is the formative promise. 

Yeshua is the completion 

 

In the transitional sense. 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, pinacled said:

Ha'satan is called elihu 

Elohim = God!

 

Exodus 3:

6And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim.

ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

[AandW_Rootbeer]

42 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Will you offer an example please. The KJV is the closest to hebrew to english translation fars I can see.

אֱלִיה֣וּא

I can, and have already, and it exists within this Thread.  But it does not relate to the Topic.

 

[Deborah_]

On 8/10/2021 at 1:06 PM, Ancient said:

The peshitta (aramaic) extremely close language to Hebrew is believed to be the earliest know NT script. Also it is believed the Shem Tov of the book of Matthew written in Hebrew is from the 1st century. Both of these are earlier than Latin. Jerome was the main person for the Latin translation which is called the vulgate. Jerome spent time before this with believers in Antioch and learnt, spoke and wrote Hebrew and wrote copies of the Gospels in Hebrew before the Latin vulgate. 

Shalom Friend

The fact that these translations were earlier than the Latin is beside the point. The monks who brought Christianity to England were from Rome, spoke Latin, and used the Latin Bible. 

The New Testament was originally written in Greek, and the writers had no problem with altering Hebrew names where necessary to make them pronounceable in Greek. They did this under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so I suspect that God Himself is not too bothered by this. Why should we be?

[Leonardo Von]

4 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

The New Testament was originally written in Greek, and the writers had no problem with altering Hebrew names where necessary to make them pronounceable in Greek. They did this under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,

The Holy Scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, the changes that the translators did with the names wasn't.