ABOMINATION is a STRONG WORD...

[Michael37]

11 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

I just can't imagine how difficult it would be for parents in that situation!  And yet, I've read articles where even PASTORS here in the US, completely change their tune on TRANSGENDERISM being a sin, when their own child declares HIMSELF a HERSELF....  How Christians can accept as NORMAL what GOD CALLS and ABOMINATION is beyond me.

Yes. There is hope in Christ for the most perverse of family members to come to their senses.

2Ti 2:24-26  And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,  (25)  in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,  (26)  and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Because of so-called hate speech laws and publicity it is not uncommon for congregations to be attended by sexually immoral persons who expect their sexual orientation and gender identity to be accepted as of right, with no questions.

Truly the Whore of Babylon is the Mother of Harlots and Abominations, but there is hope that the Word of God will find acceptance by those in bondage to the world, the flesh, and the devil, to set them free.

[Tammy Roesch]

7 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Yes. There is hope in Christ for the most perverse of family members to come to their senses.

2Ti 2:24-26  And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,  (25)  in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,  (26)  and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Because of so-called hate speech laws and publicity it is not uncommon for congregations to be attended by sexually immoral persons who expect their sexual orientation and gender identity to be accepted as of right, with no questions.

Truly the Whore of Babylon is the Mother of Harlots and Abominations, but there is hope that the Word of God will find acceptance by those in bondage to the world, the flesh, and the devil, to set them free.

We have a daughter living the homosexual lifestyle, but NEVER in a million years would we ever give her the idea that God accepts her lifestyle. We love her, have a good relationship with her, but NEVER condone the sin. We've seen so many parents who, when it's their child who has gone astray, they change their definition of sin, because the do not want to admit that their child is living in a LOST CONDITION.  

It's a horrible thing to give people a FALSE SENSE of security...

[Hopefully]

Hello,

 I believe homosexuality is still an abomination just as adultery and fornication are still sexual sins.

In the Old Testament there were punishments for these actions if found out by people.

Now in the New Testament we have Jesus to forgive this abomination and sexual sins.

I believe repentance is an important tool we are given along with our forgiveness of sins which we may still slip on from time to time.

The issue I see with homosexuality and the world is trying to make it acceptable versus repenting. People must be convicted of wrongdoing before they will repent.

The current day homosexuality movement is about acceptance with no conviction of wrongdoing therefore there is no need to repent. 
 

[Slug1]

5 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Not only are you talking two different words, you are talking two different languages. "Sexual immorality" is a Greek word: "pornia" We know what porn is today, it is all over the internet. It is a perversion of God's plan and purpose for the relationship between a husband and wife, man and women. People do not even understand the relationship Adam and Eve were to have. I do not know anyone that can tell us the difference between a women and a female. Even though they sing songs about the difference. 

The point is that there are things that are an abomination to us. We do not approve of it in others. That makes them very mad that we we do not approve of their sin. "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." (Romans 1:32)

It is not being in sin that is the problem so much as the example we set for others and what we do and do not approve of. They tell me I am phobic. My answer is I am not phobic I am repulsed. They are free to do what they want. If they have problems the police will try to help them to sort it out. But for me it is an abomination and do not make public knowledge of what they are doing in their private relationships. 

So if there are shots fired and 7 police cars show up with lights flashing like the forth of July. We are to keep our mouth shut and to not put photos on social medial. They wanted acceptance and approval but now all of a sudden they want people to bury their head in the sand and ignore what is going on. It does not matter that the police want to use our car for a shield because they are afraid someone is going to shoot them. 

Even the best of neighborhoods - the hood or the ghetto sometimes finds it's way in.  

 

Hmmm, you say I am speaking two different words and speaking two different languages.

Shall I or can I conclude from your post, that sexual relation between two women or two men, is not sexual immorality? 

[Alive]

This is simple and there is no need for any confusion.

The nature of sin, the flesh of fallen man and God's view on any of it has not changed since the beginning.

For us that are 'In Christ'--what has changed is how God has rescued us from all of that because of what He has done in the work of His only begotten Son.

Sin--all sin--is so exceedingly sinful that God Himself had to pay the price for it.

All sin is 'the abomination' juxtaposed against an Eden where there was none and that Eden will return in some form, when the results of 'abomination' are finally and fully removed.

[Slug1]

35 minutes ago, Alive said:

This is simple and there is no need for any confusion.

The nature of sin, the flesh of fallen man and God's view on any of it has not changed since the beginning.

For us that are 'In Christ'--what has changed is how God has rescued us from all of that because of what He has done in the work of His only begotten Son.

Sin--all sin--is so exceedingly sinful that God Himself had to pay the price for it.

All sin is 'the abomination' juxtaposed against an Eden where there was none and that Eden will return in some form, when the results of 'abomination' are finally and fully removed.

Hooah!

I'm still trying to figure out how this thread spun into basically a "we aren't under the Law" anymore when sin is IDed throughout the Scriptures and the power it has and the death it has, is the same for both OT and NT times 

[Slug1]

4 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

We have a daughter living the homosexual lifestyle, but NEVER in a million years would we ever give her the idea that God accepts her lifestyle. We love her, have a good relationship with her, but NEVER condone the sin. We've seen so many parents who, when it's their child who has gone astray, they change their definition of sin, because the do not want to admit that their child is living in a LOST CONDITION.  

It's a horrible thing to give people a FALSE SENSE of security...

 

Will lift you in prayer this day. Such testimony puts perspective to what Jesus says:

Matthew 10:³⁴ “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. ³⁵ For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; ³⁶ and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ ³⁷ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. ³⁸ And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. ³⁹ He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

 

 

[Kelly2363]

7 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

Hooah!

I'm still trying to figure out how this thread spun into basically a "we aren't under the Law" anymore when sin is IDed throughout the Scriptures and the power it has and the death it has, is the same for both OT and NT times 

 

Im not sure that your point is valid if your comment derives from a reflection of asserting a need to condemn homosexuality as distinct from many other sins.

It's the gospel of grace that makes the case - and not whether homosexuality is a sin or not - not even an abominable sin.  

[Slug1]

Just now, Kelly2363 said:

 

Im not sure that your point is valid if your comment derives from a reflection of asserting a need to condemn homosexuality as distinct from many other sins.

It's the gospel of grace that makes the case - and not whether homosexuality is a sin or not - not even an abominable sin.  

Shall I, or can I conclude from your response that sexual relations between two women or two men, is not sexual immorality?

[Kelly2363]

Just now, Slug1 said:

Shall I, or can I conclude from your response that sexual relations between two women or two men, is not sexual immorality?

 

No! You cannot conclude that.