Are politics wrong for the Christian?

[Made In USA]

Just now, Josheb said:

And a great deal of that can be attributed to the the belief politics are wrong for Christians. 

Actually politics lead to more darkness  not light. It divides the body and causes contention, covetousness, discontentment and all manner of fleshy works. Its not our job to rule over unbelievers. You cant make others submit to Christ.

[Made In USA]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I completely agree with you: socialism is not God's way. Christians, therefore, should act in a manner consistent with that belief (or we might all end up living in an ungodly world of socialism ).

 

Thanks for shortening your posts to a manageable size. Socialism may not be Gods way but its not our business what the world does, if they choose socialism that's not our responsibility to correct. We don't sin by paying taxes to a socialist government  either. Give unto Caesar that which is his.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Made In USA

[Made In USA]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Do you think you, me, Made In USA, other one, missmuffet - despite our theological differences - could come to some consensus on homosexual marriage and abortion if we were five of the nine SCOTUS judges? 

Who cares if homosexuals marry? God will judge them, all we can do is preach the truth but you cannot legislate the Gospel. You cant force it down people throats. As much as i hate abortion and will say its wrong, God is still in control so if he can tolerate it without stopping it who am i to stand in his place and do it myself?

Edited September 27, 2021 by Made In USA

[teddyv]

I'm in agreement with @Josheb and @other one. Christians have been conceding so many spheres of human activity. If we are to be salt and light, we've got to be engaged in all aspects of human endeavour. To give up on it is unstewardly and does not bless those around us.

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[Made In USA]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

Prove it.

What makes you think I haven't already considered it?

There is certainly a lot of diversity of thought but, as I said earlier, diversity is not necessarily division. Neither does the existence of division preclude eventual unity given the standard of God's word and the same Holy Spirit at work in each of us. 

The two are not mutually exclusive conditions. In your scenario God rules absent the involvement of His Son's body. In my scenario we are active collaborators with God in His sovereign rule. 

I dont need to prove that Christians are divided. They dont agree on political things and belong to different political factions. You call that having the same mind and judgment as Paul urges us to have? Your problem is you want to legislate the Gospel but you cant force others to follow the Gospel. 

[Made In USA]

2 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I'm in agreement with @Josheb and @other one. Christians have been conceding so many spheres of human activity. If we are to be salt and light, we've got to be engaged in all aspects of human endeavour. To give up on it is unstewardly and does not bless those around us.

You think the definition of light is to force others to obey God? 

[Made In USA]

7 minutes ago, Josheb said:

So you think the world is worse off now than it was 2000 years ago? The Magna Carta was darkness and not light. The US Constitution was darkness and not light. The fact the US (and other western countries where Christianity is prevalent) sending missionaries all over the world sponsored by the government was more darkness not light? You think the freeing of slaves was darkness, not light? You think women no longer being chattel was darkness not light? You think the development of the Red Cross, the hospital system, orphanages, and social services was darkness not light? Democracy and representative republics are darkness not light?

 

Prove it. 

I think God brought those things to pass using unbelievers. Many of our founding fathers were unbelievers. They may have had religion but not always Christian religion. Im not saying that peacefully protesting slavery was wrong. Im saying that joining a faction that causes us to be divided is darkness. Politicians make a game of dividing us, that's how they win power. Even MLK said neither the republicans or Democrats are Gods party.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Made In USA

[Made In USA]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

That is not an answer to my question. 

 

Do you understand everyone is reading your responses to my posts and everyone is examining your ability to make the case for your position? Do you understand no one but you has suggested legislating the gospel? Do you understand no one is suggesting force but you? Do you understand just how mesed up your reading of these posts are? 

Hope that's short enough for you. 

You are saying we need to engage in politics. That is about legislating. You also say its about light. So i must assume you want to legislate the gospel. Im done talking to you. I'll wait for others to respond.

[Made In USA]

We already have strife and division just talking about whether we should engage in politics. Look, if you want politics you can have it, im not trying to force anything on you. Im happy without it though. God rules and judges unbelievers, he doesnt need my help.

[other one]

2 hours ago, Made In USA said:

It must be between believers seeing how Christians belong to two different political factions. Why do you feel the need to govern the world? Isnt that God's job? Cant we just concern ourselves with seeking the kingdom instead of governing a country? If we do that and pray for the world maybe that would be more effective. God wont hear our prayers if we do evil though. And the question is do politics lead to evil?

the strife is not between Democrats and Republicans, it's between American patriots and communist-socialists.   And I don't see any Christians among those people.