What if others will be in heaven?

[Kelly2363]

23 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Sure you do. The comment about "strictly Calvinist" was unnecessary and wrong. Anyone posting that kind of content in a Christian discussion board (or perhaps any forum, Christian or not) can and should expect comment and correction. You don't want statements like that corrected? Then don't post them. Then when correct content is posted the correct  response is a simple, "Amen!" and or "Thanks" or similar expression of appreciation or gratitude. 

That's an easy one, and you've just answered it, 

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?"

That's just funny.  

And you tell us you have no idea why you must always be corrected when speaking your mind. Don't want to be corrected? Then don't post error. Few things troll trolls more than truth (not saying you're a troll, just making a point). 

 

I didn't take issue with all that was posted, Kelly. The only problem part I felt any warrant to engage (and correct) was that completely incorrect statement about Calvinists. If you want to keep the exchange going with rhetorical inquiries like, "What facts?" then I will simply say.

 

 

For what its worth Josh I take your endless correction to be abuse. That is just the fact of my view of your comments to myself. So on that I will take an appropriate action. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Kelly2363

[Kelly2363]

45 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Sure you do. The comment about "strictly Calvinist" was unnecessary and wrong. Anyone posting that kind of content in a Christian discussion board (or perhaps any forum, Christian or not) can and should expect comment and correction. You don't want statements like that corrected? Then don't post them. Then when correct content is posted the correct  response is a simple, "Amen!" and or "Thanks" or similar expression of appreciation or gratitude. 

That's an easy one, and you've just answered it, 

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?"

That's just funny.  

And you tell us you have no idea why you must always be corrected when speaking your mind. Don't want to be corrected? Then don't post error. Few things troll trolls more than truth (not saying you're a troll, just making a point). 

 

I didn't take issue with all that was posted, Kelly. The only problem part I felt any warrant to engage (and correct) was that completely incorrect statement about Calvinists. If you want to keep the exchange going with rhetorical inquiries like, "What facts?" then I will simply say 

 

And simply to be material in what I actually did say which you have wrongly asserted - what I actually said was:

The Strict Calvinist way of reconciling Ecclesiastes 3:11  with the rest of Scripture. 

I did not say strictly anything - I said The Strict Calvinist - that is a nominative and cannot be mistaken for an adverbial expression. 

Addendum:

In British English a nominative is derived from Middle English and is usually Capitalised. I have no idea what the Americans have done with the English language - but in England we still use it when trying to assert a meaningful and serious point. So any prior explanation that I have made amounting to no more than a simple personal expression to another poster - you believe that you have the responsibility to correct - even when you wrongly express what they have said. Is that what you believe the Lord gave you to membership of this Christian Forum ? 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Kelly2363
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[Kelly2363]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Were I to engage these two statements, how do you foresee that conversation playing out? 

 

I think that you are free to engage my two *statements and I can't see why that would play out any more fervently than accepting your material opinion. And I don't even regard my own statement (Below) to be any more severe than a reflection of what I genuinely feel. Neither am I given to sentiment with men unless there is a psychological need. I don't have that need and I am certain that you don't either. 

 

*statements

3 hours ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

For what its worth Josh I take your endless correction to be abuse. That is just the fact of my view of your comments to myself. So on that I will take an appropriate action. 

 

3 hours ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

And simply to be material in what I actually did say which you have wrongly asserted - what I actually said was:

The Strict Calvinist way of reconciling Ecclesiastes 3:11  with the rest of Scripture. 

I did not say strictly anything - I said The Strict Calvinist - that is a nominative and cannot be mistaken for an adverbial expression. 

Addendum:

In British English a nominative is derived from Middle English and is usually Capitalised. I have no idea what the Americans have done with the English language - but in England we still use it when trying to assert a meaningful and serious point. So any prior explanation that I have made amounting to no more than a simple personal expression to another poster - you believe that you have the responsibility to correct - even when you wrongly express what they have said. Is that what you believe the Lord gave you to membership of this Christian Forum ? 

Those (above) are two statements. 

 

I tend not to want to resort to spiritual claims - especially when I am generally unharmed by anything that would ordinarily be called spiritual - assuming that by spiritual we do mean spiritual and not psychological. You haven't made any spiritual claims in this discourse to myself - other than to cite theological source material that could be likely to have a spiritual benefit - if it is reflected on - and amounts to a sincere correction. 

Neither yourself nor myself are in any way short in life - we are both mature men - husbands - and heads of our own households and Fathers of our own children. In the church we would have to learn to walk together and understand how our distinct callings were intentionally given by the Lord to the benefit of all the brethren - many of whom are short in life.

Sometimes that does mean being prophetically sharp - in my own case - and in yours that would be a pastoral leading to teach with the authority of God to correct. That attitude would be unavoidable if we were both set on a course that were in keeping with a growth of the entire body. So whilst I have read your latest post as I was concluding this one I will post it anyway unaltered. 

This forum is not a church - but I personally have a heart for believers whether I am sharp or whether I am compassionate. I have no mind to judge you. Judge yourself. 

 

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[Kelly2363]

@Saved.One.by.Grace

I have seen the two flags you raised telling me that you didn't understand this post.

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The defects of the heart.

TOTAL DEPRAVITY

Well that's a very lamentatious post.

The Strict Calvinist way of reconciling Ecclesiastes 3:11  with the rest of Scripture.  

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9 -

Lamentation of an apostasy of Israel (The Saints) You are living in that time and you are introspective so Gill appeals to reason but misses prophetic reality in our time because he wrote at the beginning of the corruption of reformed doctrine.

 

 

Unfortunately I am unable to explain any further than I did to @Josheb in the second and most recent flag you raised explains. This is because @Josheb tells me that 

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You can post whatever you like, Kelly, as long as it falls within the tou.

So can I. 

In other words, you and I, and everyone else in the forum, are always posting within the inescapable possibility anyone can respond any way they so choose. Which means we may not like or agree with any given post in whole or part. This also means we must first take responsibility for ourselves. First. 

But you've turned this personal. 

It violates the tou. 

 

 

Seeing as his direction is greater than the forum Admin @Alive and greater than the Steward @George I have no more freedom to post in this forum on demand of @Josheb.

You could of course read the entire OP and make you own mind up whether I have broken the forums rules - but regardless @Josheb is my master and I must obey him. 

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2 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

@Saved.One.by.Grace

I have seen the two flags you raised telling me that you didn't understand this post.

Unfortunately I am unable to explain any further than I did to @Josheb in the send and most recent flag you raised explains. This is because @Josheb tells me that

Seeing as his direction is greater than the forum Admin @Alive and greater than the Steward @George I have no more freedom to post in this forum on demand of @Josheb.

You could of course read the entire OP and make you own mind up whether I have broken the forums rules - but regardless @Josheb is my master and I must obey him. 

I don't know what your problem is.  Is English your second or third language?

Most of us can get our point across within the limits set by the Worthy Forum administrators and staff.  Goodbye!!!

[Kelly2363]

14 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I don't know what your problem is.  Is English your second or third language?

Most of us can get our point across within the limits set by the Worthy Forum administrators and staff.  Goodbye!!!

 

As I said read the OP and that will give my meaning well enough. I am sorry that you are offended by me despite that I sought to be compassionate and understanding when I did post to you in this OP.

I am never more surprised at what can transpire than does between Christians when offence is taken to such an extent that it is no longer possible to even express ones inoffensive words without being inferentially cited as failing in ones own first language. God Bless you and I wish you well. 

[Arrabon]

23 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I don't know what your problem is.  Is English your second or third language?

@Saved.One.by.Grace

Why do you talk to your brother in Christ like that???

“By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”

"By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers."

Where is the kindness that uplifts one another and where is the unity and harmony in love???

Even when you disagree!!!

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Arrabon

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9 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

As I said read the OP and that will give my meaning well enough. I am sorry that you are offended by me despite that I sought to be compassionate and understanding when I did post to you in this OP.

I am never more surprised at what can transpire than does between Christians when offence is taken to such an extent that it is no longer possible to even express ones inoffensive words without being inferentially cited as failing in ones own first language. God Bless you and I wish you well. 

You still don't get it.  I don't understand what you're saying.  If I understood what you are saying maybe I would be offended.  But I am just frustrated.

[Kelly2363]

8 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

You still don't get it.  I don't understand what you're saying.  If I understood what you are saying maybe I would be offended.  But I am just frustrated.

 

Then what is there for me to complain about? Read the OP and if you cannot understand why I have said that I am no longer at liberty to post into the OP and as I did say - this forum - then that is because you can't read the OP for reasons which cannot be explained. I did say that @Josheb has forbidden me in the OP not to speak about the subject I posted to yourself - he himself severally corrected me in those precise terms and eventually cited the Forum Rules to make a claim that I was being abusive and judgemental. If anyone can find those words of mine then I will repent publicly on the forum and leave immediately. 

Am I to believe that you cannot even understand what you yourself have said:

 

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Most of us can get our point across within the limits set by the Worthy Forum administrators and staff.  Goodbye!!!

 

What limits are set by the forum administrator and staff that require a person to write pointed comments? The comment you expressed a lack of comprehension of consisted of just one line. And no more than 100 words when I explained it. How pointed can one be?

You may well have to forgive me, brother, but I cannot see that you did not understand what you have said. Anymore than I believe that @Josheb does not understand the words he has used to require and demand my compliance to his requirements to be OP specific and not to make claims (which I did not make) - but shall be deemed to have made because he requires that I should thank him or else dissent or else be silent from his claims even when they are wrong - a thing that he recently stated to @appy to correct their comments and was corrected by that Moderator.

Josh even tells me that my "Kings English" is within my grasp to positively correct and by that means to make myself better understood to him. Yet he is well educated and easily expresses himself in terms that requires some reasonable command of English.

If you are frustrated then there is nothing I can do for you other than to commit it to the Lord. But please rest assured that I am not offended with yourself and if anything - like yourself - am frustrated with being asked three times to explain a single sentence and to be refused any willingness to accept what I have said that is clearly visible in all our words - if only we would read them and humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God. This may be a discussion forum - Shall we all talk and no one read?

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1 hour ago, Arrabon said:

@Saved.One.by.Grace

Why do you talk to your brother in Christ like that???

“By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”

"By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers."

Where is the kindness that uplifts one another and where is the unity and harmony in love???

Even when you disagree!!!

How can I disagree I still don't know what He's talking about?