House of Israel/The Church/Body of Christ/natural/grafted in - all made 1.

[angels4u]

36 minutes ago, pinacled said:

From Which choir loft do you sing? According to the vision given yecheskel(ezekiel) the 2 lofts of singers face north and south and sing only blessing. Unlike the gerashim and ebal instruction given moshe.

Ezekiel 40

 

 

 

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From Which choir loft do you sing? According to the vision given yecheskel(ezekiel) the 2 lofts of singers face north and south and sing only blessing. Unlike the gerashim and ebal instruction given moshe.

How would you say this in plain Engish?

[angels4u]

13 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Asking amiss is a lofty place where 6 tribes contrarily  curse and lack understanding of past and present. While the curse is louder than the blessing. It is a still and small voice that prevails. A choir loft that recognizes salvation and sings in unity with a calm voice. Dual house theology teaches that the temple has 2 stones verses a single foundation of rythym given in vision to yecheskel.

Hope is plain in all languages along with an article of armor

Article of armour? Sorry,I don’t get it..

[choir loft]

On 11/28/2021 at 3:59 PM, pinacled said:

I'm well enough read in the works of scholars whom have little to no understanding(meat of torah) in spirit. Yes there were 2 kingdoms divided against themselves. And at that time the tribe of benyamin(benjamin) went from north to south looking left and right.!

The fulfillment of the Torah and prophets is found with Yeshua going to "all tribes","for all have sinned" including yhdh and levi that were lost. As the peacemaker and bond servant of the covenant promise concerning ephrayim and yhdh, and their 2 staffs. Yeshua made whole what was once divided against itself. The 2 swords the disciples took up reflected the mount of olives multiplied/fruitful) split east and west as 2 olive trees given in vision to zechariah. The iron sharpening iron are the 2 swords made one echad into a single staff under the authority of The Lion of the tribe yhdh.

Dual house theology teaches that only one house was lost. Using the parable of the 2 sons as a justification leaves them guilty and in denial of their need for salvation. "Those that deny theyve sinned", show partiality that is an affront to Torah.

As for your feelings about my use of the word,"youngin". Think on what Yeshua said about the youth or ben elohim. If my compliment offends then I'll refrain.

Blessed be The Holy One

A very long winded explanation - of what exactly?

Ezekiel 37b predicts the reunification of the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel.  In other words all twelve tribes.   Your long post goes off at tangents that are difficult to follow because they make many references to nebulous rabbit trails.

The prophecy of Ezekiel is clear.   The issue isn't what Tanakh says but what Christians choose to believe.   Replacement Theology/Supersessionism, an RCC ideology btw, is in total contradiction to the context of prophecy AND HISTORY.

So what's the problem?  Is Ezekiel a liar?  Is the context of scripture in question? 

It's been discovered many who are making aliyah to Eretz Israel are of tribes other than Judah or Levi.  I have no idea how genetic parentage is being traced by the Israeli authorities, but the government as well as the rabbinate seems to be satisfied with their methods.   The two stick prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.  

The problem is that anti-Semitic Christians refuse to see.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS - Don't understand your reference to Jesus and children.  The only instance that comes to mind is Jesus' teaching of trust - that those who come to Him must trust as a child trusts WITHOUT PREDILECTIONS TO DOCTRINES.  The Bible says the two stick prophecy will happen as indeed it is happening.  I do not trust the doctrines of those who espouse a gospel other than that of Christ.

Edited December 4, 2021 by choir loft
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[choir loft]

On 11/28/2021 at 3:59 PM, pinacled said:

I'm well enough read in the works of scholars whom have little to no understanding(meat of torah) in spirit.

I'm quoting your words not because I think you'll respond favorably but for the purpose of illuminating the general reader.

It seems to be an axiom of Protestant Christians today to declare their own infallibility  with regard to Biblical studies.  In no other discipline of life is this true, but for some reason each Christian seems to think he or she has got a lock on truth, both Biblical or Political.  It matters not that their premise is faulty, that their religious education is paltry or that their logic is skewed.  They are right and no one, no matter how well educated they may be, can convince them otherwise.

"What a fool believes no wise man can reason away." - WHAT A FOOL BELIEVES, the Doobie Brothers (song of the year 1988)

Who are you to judge the efficacy of scholarly discussion?

It has been my personal experience that a Masters Degree in Theology granted to me by a major seminary (where Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. also studied) over fifty years ago has been of less value than used toilet paper.  Yet those who have something less than perfect attendance at Sunday School seem to think they know it all.  

The purpose of scholarship, indeed all forms of higher education, is to enable the seeker with tools to discover new aspects of the subject at hand - NOT TO EQUIVOCATE (deceive) or glorify their own perspective.  The purpose of scholarship is ultimately to teach.

What happens when the teacher encounters those who are unteachable?

Heat without light happens. 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, choir loft said:

PS - Don't understand your reference to Jesus and children.  The only instance that comes to mind is Jesus' teaching of trust - that those who come to Him must trust as a child trusts WITHOUT PREDILECTIONS TO DOCTRINES.  The Bible says the two stick prophecy will happen as indeed it is happening.  I do not trust the doctrines of those who espouse a gospel other than that of Christ.

Quick question do you believe the blindness has come off and if so when and why


d

[choir loft]

On 12/4/2021 at 1:00 PM, DeighAnn said:

Quick question do you believe the blindness has come off and if so when and why


d

You are making reference to typical anti-Semitic Protestant Christian doctrine adopted from the Vatican.  Be careful.  Be wise.  Be educated (2 Tim 2:15)

According to Paul in Romans 11:25 the hardening (against believing Messiah Jesus IS God) is PARTIAL.   In Jesus' day about 1/3 of Jews heard the gospel message and believed.   That's a lot of Jews.  Christians don't have a monopoly on Jesus Christ the King of the Jews.  

Here is a mystery for all readers to consider:

In 1968, when Jerusalem was liberated by the IDF, a strange spiritual effect began to be noticed.  (Luke 21:24)   The church began to wither on the vine and Jews who accept Y'shuah (Jesus' Hebrew name) began to multiply.

The last great Jesus revival swept across America beginning in 1968 - opposed greatly by church leadership.  I was part of that movement and walked in the halls behind the scenes to hear plans laid by leadership to oppose the movement of the Holy Spirit.  As a result the church today is a shadow of its former self and is in danger of disappearing entirely in the next decade or two.  

At the same time Messianic Jewish congregations sprouted up all over the country.  These are believing Jews who retain their traditions and form of worship but otherwise acknowledge Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and KING.  The movement, however, seems to be proceeding at a snail's pace.  Talmudic Jews opposed it (as they do even with other Jewish disciplines; Reform, Conservative, etc.)

According to predictions made in scripture the nation Israel will have a SUDDEN revelation of who and what Jesus Christ (Y'shuah ha-Mashiach) really is.  That time has not yet arrived.   The national revelation of Jesus the King of Israel will happen during a time of war.  Indeed there have ALREADY been a number of manifestations of divine nature that have contributed to Israeli victory during battle. Some of them are quite chilling.   When former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked if he believed in miracles he declared that Israel could not exist from one day to the next without them.

The answer to your question is one of belief and acceptance.  Modern Israelis are no less stubborn than in Moses' day.  When Jesus appears they will HAVE TO bend the knee before Him albeit it will be a grudging bent - as will most of the planet.

The Bible says a day will come when all will bend their knee and acknowledge Jesus Christ is Lord.   The flip side to gentile attitudes will be the same as with Jews.  

ALL will bend their knee, but most will not do so gladly.

The hardening you wonder about applies to goyim (gentiles) as well as Jews.  It's human nature to worship itself and the works of its own hands.  Gentiles are no more exempt from this than Jews.   We just pray differently - if we pray at all.

Hope this helps.

That's me, hollering from the choir loft... 

Edited December 10, 2021 by choir loft

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, choir loft said:

You are making reference to typical anti-Semitic Protestant Christian doctrine adopted from the Vatican.  Be careful.  Be wise.  Be educated (2 Tim 2:15)

No, I am not,  for the simple fact that I don't know what that MEANS and would appreciate you not telling me.  

Here is what I believe this to be the TRUTH

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING CHRIST AND IT HAD ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRIBE OF JUDAH OR ANY OF THE OTHERS of Israel LIVING IN JERUSALEM AT THE TIME.  But no one stood up for Him...

I HEARD AND TOOK NOTE OF WHAT CHRIST SAID

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come. 21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.  22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

 

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

 

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;  32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.  33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?  34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.  37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.  38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.  39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.  40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.  41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.  42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.  43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.  46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?  47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) AND I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN 

 

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


As I have said before, I believe after the destruction of the temple and in the VERY FIRST CENTURY, THE GENTILES were preached the full words of God same as everyone else and already no one could tell a 'lost sheep' form a gentile anymore SO at that point is came down to the whomsoever woulds and blindness for that purpose was lifted then.  NO ONE really knows so my guess is as good as the next.  UNLESS, you know something I don't and if so, please share.....d  


OH, as for the CHURCH today, I don't think it is in any better shape than the chosen people were when Christ was here.  No wonder the falling away will occur.  

The 12 tribes received the 'words' without the leading of the Spirit and it didn't go so well and it was all about the 'details of the words themselves' and not the story they were telling.   Today we have the CHURCH with the leading of the Holy Spirit AND so should be much better off but they don't want to study all the words even though it is the foundation on which we are to build, and the way the Holy Spirt leads, hence all the problems in communication. Toss in the ones who just muddy up the waters so no one can see..... d