What is "The Law"?

[Bawb]

When Sha'ul (You probably know him as Paul) spoke about the law, most people make the wrong assumptions... Please see the different "laws" spoken about in the New testament:

1. The Law of Moses (YHVH's WRITTEN Torah, that is, his instructions in righteousness) (Think of the 10 Commandments) It is not ­the law of sin and death. However, if we choose to follow our carnal, sinful human natures, and to choose to disregard our Creator’s words, then this will bring us under the law of sin and death, which is the negative consequences of our actions. These laws are believed to have been revealed by God to the Israelites at biblical Mount Sinai.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5. “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6. “You shall not murder.
7. “You shall not commit adultery.
8. “You shall not steal.
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
        
2. Halakha - Also known as the Oral Torah. These laws believed to have been transmitted orally prior to their later compilation in texts such as the Mishnah, Talmud, and rabbinic codes. They are laws of human origin, including rabbinic decrees, interpretations, customs, etc. The yoke of Torah was the Oral Law that became so burdensome that no one person could follow it. This oral law was the fence around the law that Yeshua railed against. Healing on the Sabbath, eating (plucking grain whilst walking thru the fields) etc was the law that Yeshua came to correct. (See "Heavy burdens, hard to bear).

3. The law of sin and death - THE ONE THAT WAS NAILED TO THE TREE! This is simply a matter of the “law” of cause and effect, that is, one reaps what one sows, or for every action there is a reaction. To wit, Paul states that “the wages of sin is death” (Rom 6:23). Ezekiel states that the soul that sins will die (Ezek 18:4). John goes on to say that “sin is the violation of Torah-law” (1 John 3:4). Therefore, the law of sin and death is yielding to our carnal nature that is prone to sin the results of which brings the consequences of sinful actions as prescribed by the Torah the end result of which is death or extinguishment of life and eternal separation from Almighty YeHoVah.

4. And of course civil law: You know, like when the Romans arrested Paul.  Among the civil law rights of a citizen were freedom from beatings without trial, the right to be tried before the emperor rather than in a local court of law, and the right to not be executed by crucifixion. 

Every time the Apostle Paul wrote about the law, it was NOT always YHVH's Law (The Torah or Law of Moses)

Here is a more comprehensive list of "laws" That Paul made up names for:

The Law of God (Torah): See Rom 3:31, 7:22-25, 8:7

The Laws in Apostle Paul's letters that he made up names for:
The law of Sin: See Rom 7:23-25
The law of Sin and Death: See Rom 8:2
The law of the Spirit of Life: See Rom 8:2
The law of Faith: See Rom 3:27
The law of Righteousness: See Rom 9:31
The law of Christ: See 1st Cor 9:21

Edited November 11, 2021 by Bawb
left out a word

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, Bawb said:

most people make the wrong assumptions...

How so?

[Charlie744]

7 hours ago, Bawb said:

When Sh'aul (You probably know him as Paul) spoke about the law, most people make the wrong assumptions... Please see the different "laws" spoken about in the New testament:

1. The Law of Moses (YHVH's WRITTEN Torah, that is, his instructions in righteousness) (Think of the 10 Commandments) It is not ­the law of sin and death. However, if we choose to follow our carnal, sinful human natures, and to choose to disregard our Creator’s words, then this will bring us under the law of sin and death, which is the negative consequences of our actions. These laws are believed to have been revealed by God to the Israelites at biblical Mount Sinai.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5. “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6. “You shall not murder.
7. “You shall not commit adultery.
8. “You shall not steal.
9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
        
2. Halakha - Also known as the Oral Torah. These laws believed to have been transmitted orally prior to their later compilation in texts such as the Mishnah, Talmud, and rabbinic codes. They are laws of human origin, including rabbinic decrees, interpretations, customs, etc. The yoke of Torah was the Oral Law that became so burdensome that no one person could follow it. This oral law was the fence around the law that Yeshua railed against. Healing on the Sabbath, eating (plucking grain whilst walking thru the fields) etc was the law that Yeshua came to correct. (See "Heavy burdens, hard to bear).

3. The law of sin and death - THE ONE THAT WAS NAILED TO THE TREE! This is simply a matter of the “law” of cause and effect, that is, one reaps what one sows, or for every action there is a reaction. To wit, Paul states that “the wages of sin is death” (Rom 6:23). Ezekiel states that the soul that sins will die (Ezek 18:4). John goes on to say that “sin is the violation of Torah-law” (1 John 3:4). Therefore, the law of sin and death is yielding to our carnal nature that is prone to sin the results of which brings the consequences of sinful actions as prescribed by the Torah the end result of which is death or extinguishment of life and eternal separation from Almighty YeHoVah.

4. And of course civil law: You know, like when the Romans arrested Paul.  Among the civil law rights of a citizen were freedom from beatings without trial, the right to be tried before the emperor rather than in a local court of law, and the right to not be executed by crucifixion. 

Every time the Apostle Paul wrote about the law, it was NOT always YHVH's Law (The Torah or Law of Moses)

Here is a more comprehensive list of "laws" That Paul made up names for:

The Law of God (Torah): See Rom 3:31, 7:22-25, 8:7

The Laws in Apostle Paul's letters that he made up names for:
The law of Sin: See Rom 7:23-25
The law of Sin and Death: See Rom 8:2
The law of the Spirit of Life: See Rom 8:2
The law of Faith: See Rom 3:27
The law of Righteousness: See Rom 9:31
The law of Christ: See 1st Cor 9:21

Great response! I thought Jesus said before He returned to heaven, “to keep His commandments” (10), not the laws- ceremonial or otherwise. The NT writings spoke about the Messiah and it interpreted the Scriptures as Jesus understood them and how He would apply them (in spirit v. Legalism). So called oral laws by Moses or Rabbinic laws after the destruction of the Temple are not Scriptural. They may be very educational and profound but not Scriptural.

What do you think? Thank you, Charlie  

[Justin Adams]

10 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

What do you think? Thank you, Charlie

If you have a pulse and can read, then why edit the TEN WORDS as they are correctly referred to in the Tanakh?

[Justin Adams]

We should NOT edit the Ten Words. 

[Ancient]

Yahweh does not change. So, that means His word/words don't change. 

Yeshua even said He is the same yesterday, today and forever. No contradictions here. He said I don't speak my words but, the words of my Father (Yahweh). Yeshua also said My doctrine is not My own but from My Father (Yahweh) who sent me. Pretty simple. Yeshua, Shaul (Paul) and the rest of the apostles and first century believers all believed and adhered to the Tanakh for them it was never done away with and was taught to them by Yeshua. It is the doctrines of men (denominations) and demons that have twisted the word of God via the English translation and westernized mindsets. Not understanding the original language the word of God was written in. The only scriptures Yeshua, Paul and all the others had were the Hebrew scriptures the Old Testament, the Tanakh. The New Testament wasn't compiled for centuries later, and even then the vast majority never had a copy.

Shalom

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

We should NOT edit the Ten Words. 

Still confused.. who is editing the commandments?

 

[Justin Adams]

4 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Still confused.. who is editing the commandments?

 

Most 'modern' church folk redact the fourth.

[Charlie744]

16 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Most 'modern' church folk redact the fourth.

Oh, now I understand! You were not telling me I had no pulse or could not read, you were commenting that some or most DO leave out the 4th... 

Do I have it right? Charlie 

[Greenie]

So are we to keep the Saturday sabbath? If not are we sinning and on the way to hell??