What is "The Law"?

[Charlie744]

15 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I am sure it is a blessing. I lived out of a back pack for three months and in the army we live out of whatever we can fit in a duffle bag. Our stuff can be a burden sometimes. It would be nice to take a break from it all one day a week. 

John, if I may, I would like to tell you what I have experienced.. did not expect anything other than obeying His commandments (4th) after a life time of not attending church or having a relationship with God!

Approximately 5 years ago I started to attend church but on the Sabbath. For as long as I can remember, especially my time in the Navy and throughout my career, Friday and Saturday nights were always party nights. EVERY Sunday I would say the same thing- where did the weekend go? Monday morning comes too fast- back to work so quickly. It never seemed to be a restful weekend or even a somewhat slower weekend to enjoy. Left work on Friday and I am right back on Monday- seemed I just left!

Anyway, sometime after attending church on Saturday  AND spending time reading the Bible or bible studies, etc., (in other words not the attend church thing for one hour and then watch football all day), I noticed the weekends seemed like they were now 4 days long and I always felt refreshed after the weekend! Don’t ask me to explain it, I can’t! I was not expecting this kind of experience- why should I given each day is still 24 hours... 

But I can assure you there is a change, a huge difference in the quality and seeming quantity of the entire weekend. I can tell you the ‘rest’ one receives from spending the Sabbath with God is real and unexplainable. But I guess that is why He created it as a Holy day. 

God is everywhere and at all times... that will never change! But, I know where He will be each Sabbath and on this day, at the end of each week He will personally visit with you. All I can do is to tell you my experience and I am more than sure it is available to anyone / everyone... but it takes place on the Sabbath day only. Charlie 

[Waggles]

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I am wondering if they might address the following:

1) If they were done away with, does that mean the 1st commandment which speaks of the One and only God....has been done away with as well?

2) Has the 2nd commandment been eliminated too? Can we have idols now?

3) What about the 3rd commandment- can we use His name in vain because of the Cross? 

Psalm 40:6  In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required. 
7  Then I said, “Behold, I have come; in the scroll of the book it is written of me: 
8  I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”

Ezekiel 36:26  And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 
27  And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 

You also need to read and understand the epistle to the Galatians.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Waggles

[MrBear]

On 11/13/2021 at 8:09 AM, Hopefully said:

“Can following the law give us the blessing God promised? If we could receive it by following the law, then it would not be God’s promise that brings it to us. But God freely gave his blessings to Abraham through the promise God made. So what was the law for?
 

The law was given to show the wrong things people do. The law would continue until the special Descendant of Abraham came. This is the Descendant mentioned in the promise, which came directly from God. But the law was given through angels, and the angels used Moses as a mediator to give the law to the people. Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not.

The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law. But this is not possible.

The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him. Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.

Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian. You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus. You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:18-19, 21-29‬ ‭

 

Christ did not come to do away with the law, but followers of Christ naturally do what the law wants.

“So do we destroy the law by following the way of faith? Not at all! In fact, faith causes us to be what the law actually wants.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:31‬ ‭

 

Paul was a devout follower of the law his teachings have been misinterpreted by anti law crowd, he kept the feasts , he was speaking out against the circumcision party that followed him around trying to win back the people he converted

These Jews I believe were the “thorn” he refers to, why would God send a walking talking “Law” in the flesh only to say “ O hey in 3 years don’t worry about it anymore?

Why would at the end of days God would write his law on our hearts?

Just for nothing? No He means for you to “ try” to follow his law to “ walk in righteousness “ which means walk in the law , walk rightly

Paul knew this and preached the Torah, but he knew the Pharisees were not following Gods law but the “ancestors “ (as they refer to it) Law

its a hot topic debate, and in today’s world it’s hard to keep Torah and I believe God knows that, but what is upsetting is some Christians in our family want to pick which laws apply

They oppose homosexuality and abortion, but they think the sabbath doesn’t matter

They as men want to tell God which one of His laws apply?

Brothers and Sisters read Paul’s letters in context and see that he was fully aware that the laws didn’t disappear he was just chastising the corrupted Judaism “ laws” 

That being said you are my Brothers and Sisters and although we may not all agree on the semantics we all believe In our Father and that is a bond that will not be broken?

SHALOM❤️

Edited November 14, 2021 by MrBear

[Waggles]

3 hours ago, MrBear said:

They oppose homosexuality and abortion, but they think the sabbath doesn’t matter

The Spirit-filled Christian has a new Sabbath - Christ Jesus himself.

As for Sundays as a day of worship or a Wednesday these are not sabbaths. 

A church (ekklesia of saints) coming together on a particular day does not a Sabbath make. For the Sabbath is our rest from our own works by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

If you want to make a Saturday a "Sabbath" for you then what ordinances do you obey - no driving a motor vehicle? No walking the dog around the block? No cooking and baking? No shopping at supermarkets? No going to sports?

[Waggles]

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I can tell you the ‘rest’ one receives from spending the Sabbath with God is real and unexplainable.

Applicable to those in the flesh not in the Spirit.

I guess this is another major difference between Pentecostal Christians and non-Pentecostal Christians.

[Bawb]

4 hours ago, MrBear said:

Paul was a devout follower of the law his teachings have been misinterpreted by anti law crowd, he kept the feasts , he was speaking out against the circumcision party that followed him around trying to win back the people he converted

These Jews I believe were the “thorn” he refers to, why would God send a walking talking “Law” in the flesh only to say “ O hey in 3 years don’t worry about it anymore?

SHALOM❤️

I also suggest that a vision problem may also be that thorn in the side. Yeshua blinded him and may have left him with a "little reminder". I remember seeing something about how Sha'ul wrote hi letters particularly large...

It's also truly confounding, the people who think they are above the law or it does not apply to them. Imagine if you were a parent...

Which child would you love more?

Would you love the child more who obeyed you or tried their best to obey you. And when they didn't, you could see that they were truly disappointed in themselves and asked for forgiveness.

Or would you love the child more who disobeyed and claimed that you did away with the rules of the household and besides, they knew you would forgive them?

Seems pretty absurd when you really think about it...

Yes, Shalom! Brother

Edited November 15, 2021 by Bawb
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[Sower]

8 minutes ago, Bawb said:

I also suggest that a vision problem may also be that thorn in the side. Yeshua blinded him and may have left him with a "little reminder". I remember seeing something about how Sha'ul wrote hi letters particularly large...

It's also truly confounding, the people who think they are above the law or it does not apply to them. Imagine if you were a parent...

Which child would you love more?

Would you love the child who obeyed you or tried their best to obey you. And when they didn't, you could see that they were truly disappointed in themselves and asked for forgiveness.

Or would you love the child who disobeyed and claimed that you did away with the rules of the household and besides, they knew you would forgive them?

Seems pretty absurd when you really think about it...

Yes, Shalom! Brother

Actually, I would love them both, as I do my own children even though some were more obedient than other. But, as they grew to maturity, their obedience changed into a love to want to please their father. And they knew that I would love them no matter all their mistakes. And they can rest in that.

[Bawb]

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

Actually, I would love them both, as I do my own children even though some were more obedient than other. But, as they grew to maturity, their obedience changed into a love to want to please their father. And they knew that I would love them no matter all their mistakes. And they can rest in that.

This is a great answer and exemplifies Yah's love. I should have written more clearly. Which child would you love more? (I've edited it to reflect). Parents have favorites, even Yeshua had favorites, didn't he?

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Bawb said:

This is a great answer and exemplifies Yah's love. I should have written more clearly. Which child would you love more? (I've edited it to reflect). Parents have favorites, even Yeshua had favorites, didn't he?

Each of my children are unique in their own way. Each has qualities that set them apart from their siblings. As a homeschooling family, we learned that compliant children are more prone to go with herd instinct, and the rebel children develop strong personal character. I love them all differently, due to their differences. But I cannot say I love one more than another due to obedience or qualities or characteristics cetera. Which of the two sons in the prodigal story did the father love the most. The one that obeyed and stayed home with the father, or the prodigal who disobeyed and lost everything and came home? Personally, I think he loved both of his sons equally, differently, but not one more than the other. Which one got the big celebration and the fatted calf?

[Bawb]

12 hours ago, Sower said:

Each of my children are unique in their own way. Each has qualities that set them apart from their siblings.

Which one got the big celebration and the fatted calf?

Again, as I've stated that this exemplifies Abba-Yah's love for His children. Unfortunately, not everyone was raised this way...

It could be interpreted that BOTH brothers got the calf. The brother that stayed behind should have celebrated his brother coming back home too. Just as we as Brothers and Sisters should also celebrate when ever we see a person coming back to YeHoVah! It is also our joy!