What is "The Law"?

[I am no one]

37 minutes ago, MrBear said:

That’s a decision for us to make

Belief in the Father and reliance on our guide the Holy Spirit ( which we can listen to or ignore) dictates who will win the war, our reward is waiting it’s promised to us, But you can choose to walk away or embrace it, the choice is ours

SHALOM❤️

 

so what does apply you or anyone? 

1 Corinthians 10:11-13 (NKJV) Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
 

1 Corinthians 10: 13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

so in this phrase  the person is going to be tempted beyond

How you resist this greater temptation, the Lord  say its beyond, all temptations

but with the temptation will also make the way of escape

Again Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall, something or someone, with greater temptation beyond that bring you into captivity

In Romans 7: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Are you warring against yourself ?

this greater temptation, the Lord say  beyond that bring you into captivity

but with the greater temptation will also make the way of escape

So how can you  escape the greater temptation that beyond that is not common to a man or women?

Remember we are flesh 

Edited November 17, 2021 by I am no one

[Bawb]

59 minutes ago, other one said:

so why aren't you listening to him.

If you are obeying are you not listening? What a confusing statement to make. I would think only those who are not obeying are the ones who aren't listening...

I just wonder how the "Sabbitarian" conversation will go???

YeHoVah: Why did you keep My Sabbath?

Me: Because Your Word said to Hallow Your Sabbath, Yeshua kept it, all of the Disciples kept it, the First Messianic Believers also kept it...

I seriously doubt I will be reprimanded for OBEYING His Instructions and His Word that NEVER changes...

[other one]

2 minutes ago, Bawb said:

If you are obeying are you not listening? What a confusing statement to make. I would think only those who are not obeying are the ones who aren't listening...

I just wonder how the "Sabbitarian" conversation will go???

YeHoVah: Why did you keep My Sabbath?

Me: Because Your Word said to Hallow Your Sabbath, Yeshua kept it, all of the Disciples kept it, the First Messianic Believers also kept it...

I seriously doubt I will be reprimanded for OBEYING His Instructions and His Word that NEVER changes...

I am listening to Jesus, for it is he that is to get me with him for eternity and it is he that I listen to.  He gave me two commandments to keep. and since he did not keep the 4th commandment himself I have to surmise that I should follow his two commandments and not deal with the old covenant dealings.   If I was not following him, I would be condemned by those old laws, but since I am following his commands those old commands do not pertain to me.  I am no longer under the old covenant but the new.

 

[Bawb]

Just now, other one said:

I am listening to Jesus, for it is he that is to get me with him for eternity and it is he that I listen to.

Yeshua and YeHoVah are echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one. If you're listening for one and not both something is wrong.

John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."

[other one]

2 minutes ago, Bawb said:

Yeshua and YeHoVah are echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one. If you're listening for one and not both something is wrong.

John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."

Then the Father wants me to follow the demands of Jesus.   If he wanted me  to follow the fourth commandment then Jesus would not have been working on it.   

[Bawb]

1 minute ago, other one said:

Then the Father wants me to follow the demands of Jesus.   If he wanted me  to follow the fourth commandment then Jesus would not have been working on it.   

Wow... You think Yeshua worked on the Sabbath?

Truly I say to you, that is the thought process of a Pharisee. I previously told you it was a "heart issue" not a "follow the law to the letter or you'll burn in hell issue"! Are you ignoring YeHoVah's Instructions to save a life or are you ignoring them because you're doing your own will, thinking your own thoughts?

[other one]

4 minutes ago, Bawb said:

You think Yeshua worked on the Sabbath?

Well, he did say that he did.   I'll take his word for it.

[Bawb]

9 minutes ago, other one said:

Well, he did say that he did.   I'll take his word for it.

People who try to refute the Sabbath, in order to justify their disobedience, will say things like, "We no longer have to remember the Sabbath because Jesus worked on the Sabbath thus making the Sabbath unimportant for Christians under the New Covenant". If this were true that would make Jesus a transgressor of the Law and thus would make Him a sinner.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

But those who love God and have His Spirit dwelling in them know this is so far from the truth.
So how do Sabbath refuters justify saying Jesus violated the Sabbath by working on the Sabbath?
They use verses such as Matthew 12:1-5.

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!''

Here we have Jesus being accused of a Sabbath violation because they were picking grain on the Sabbath. This was considered work by the religious men of Jesus' time. But listen to how Jesus responds to their accusations.

Then Jesus said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the show-bread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

Jesus' response teaches us two very important Sabbath keeping principles.

1. Anything that is done on the Sabbath that relates to taking care of a necessary need (hunger, healing, saving an animal and so on) is not a violation of the Sabbath and is not considered normal, unnecessary or just everyday work.

2. Anything done on the Sabbath that relates to service to God is not a violation of the Sabbath (pot luck clean up, serving and so on).

We can also understand from the words of Jesus that these principles were not new to the New Covenant only but were also Old Covenant principles as well.

Like I said, ACCUSING Yeshua of working on the Sabbath is the doctrine of the pharisees...

Is that what you want to cling to?

How do you accuse He Who Was Sinless of committing sin?

Edited November 17, 2021 by Bawb

[other one]

5 minutes ago, Bawb said:

People who try to refute the Sabbath, in order to justify their disobedience, will say things like, "We no longer have to remember the Sabbath because Jesus worked on the Sabbath thus making the Sabbath unimportant for Christians under the New Covenant". If this were true that would make Jesus a transgressor of the Law and thus would make Him a sinner.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

But those who love God and have His Spirit dwelling in them know this is so far from the truth.
So how do Sabbath refuters justify saying Jesus violated the Sabbath by working on the Sabbath?
They use verses such as Matthew 12:1-5.

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!''

Here we have Jesus being accused of a Sabbath violation because they were picking grain on the Sabbath. This was considered work by the religious men of Jesus' time. But listen to how Jesus responds to their accusations.

Then Jesus said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the show-bread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

Jesus' response teaches us two very important Sabbath keeping principles.

1. Anything that is done on the Sabbath that relates to taking care of a necessary need (hunger, healing, saving an animal and so on) is not a violation of the Sabbath and is not considered normal, unnecessary or just everyday work.

2. Anything done on the Sabbath that relates to service to God is not a violation of the Sabbath (pot luck clean up, serving and so on).

We can also understand from the words of Jesus that these principles were not new to the New Covenant only but were also Old Covenant principles as well.

Like I said, ACCUSING Yeshua of working on the Sabbath is the doctrine of the pharisees...

Is that what you want to cling to?

How do you accuse He Who Was Sinless of committing sin?

you are wasting your keyboard strokes,  we've had this discussion with dozens and dozens of folks over the past 19 years here.  Fact is Jesus said he was working on the sabbath and you can post the entire Bible here and it will not refute his confession.

[Bawb]

13 minutes ago, other one said:

you are wasting your keyboard strokes,  we've had this discussion with dozens and dozens of folks over the past 19 years here.  Fact is Jesus said he was working on the sabbath and you can post the entire Bible here and it will not refute his confession.

It's not a waste if even one person starts believing the truth...

Aa-a-and not everyone has been here for 19 years. Who knows, maybe someone here is new and we just might be able to get the truth to them before the lies set in...

Wow... Still accusing He who was sinless of sin???

Edited November 17, 2021 by Bawb