The Spiritual and The Forms

[Manonfire63]

Plato's The Forms is something I have found that, with God, may be a tool to help see the spiritual.  There may be a little bit of a learning curve here.  I'll break it down for you Barney Style. I will references some video I advise you watch on Youtube. 

Introduction Video:  "Plato: On The Forms" The School of Life.

The Forms are an ideal vision of something.  What is the Form of a great baseball team?  I am going to say the 1956 Yankees with Mickey Mantle was a great baseball team.  Someone could like or hate the Yankees.  Given we peel back "Yankees," and "New York," and other such things, what made the 1956 Yankees a great team, and do other teams share those traits?  We are looking at The Form of a great baseball team.  Did the 2021 Atlanta Braves share those characteristics?  Given the Atlanta Braves were a completely different team, we have some compare and contrasting to do towards arriving at The Form of a great baseball team potentially. 

What is The Form of The Son of Man?  We are looking to see a character.  To see the character, to get the Form right, we may need to break out a Bible Concordance, and look at all the mentions of Son of Man.  When someone takes all the verses together, they may start to see a Form.

Jesus is "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;" (Psalms 118:22)(Acts 4:11)  The Stone rejected is in the Old Testament. It is in The New Testament. (Luke 20:9-19)(1 Peter 2) Jesus Christ is the Stone rejected by the builders. (Acts 4:11) The Stone is a Form of something. I am going to list a Bible verse referencing The Son of Man with a song.  We are working to get a visual of something.  We are working to get The Form right.   With the songs, I am adding context the Bible verse.  Is it the right context? 
 

• For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:27)

Song:  "Thuderstruck" 2Cellos

• The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” (Matthew 11:19)

Song:  "Think I'll Just Sit Here and Drink"  Merele Haggard. 

• Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." (Luke 9:58)

Song:  "Anywhere the Wind Blows."  The Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band. 

Given we take the verses together, we are starting to see The Form of The Son of Man.  We are seeing characteristics of.  The songs may add some context, some links to some things today.  Some Christians have worked to make the Bible abstract.  A theologian with a couple advanced degrees, he may have thought he was better than you.  He writes things so that only him, and small group of elitist weirdos understand it.  Jesus chose fishermen, labors, and a tax collector to be his disciples it is not that hard. 

In part two I may start to really hurt your feelings. 

 

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[Manonfire63]

Man is made in the image of God or "Our Image."  The spiritual is a reflection.  Like a mirror? 

Anything a man feels may be a reflection for something of God.  In Ezekiel 23, for example, for God to be speaking through Ezekiel, Prophet Ezekiel may have understood God's righteous Anger.  Thumos.  As a man, Ezekiel may have been loving the things God loves.  He may have hated the things God hated.  He was aligned. 

The songs in the OP, they are working to display something and help align  someone potentially.  Given there was a disconnect between God and man, that may have been leading towards heresy in some FORM. 

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[Alive]

31 minutes ago, Manonfire63 said:

In part two I may start to really hurt your feelings. 

Let's not--OK?

[Manonfire63]

21 minutes ago, Alive said:

Let's not--OK?

I don't need videos for part 2.  You neutered the OP.  You were in your rights to.  Spiritual Warfare, and The Spiritual, is something someone may need to be mentored into.  There hasn't been a lot of discussion on this topic here which is evident from a post I made in April 2020 only being a few posts down.  There hasn't been a lot of discussion on this topic in Christianity in general, and that is evident by various conflicts in Churches and in society.  Given someone is understanding spiritual warfare, there have been bad guys, wrong doers, evil people. 

A Freemason, in a Protestant Church, for example, he may have issues with me writing about The Forms.  He considered himself a "Builder" as in The Stone Rejected by The Builders.   
 

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• For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.  (Ephesians 6:12) 

Given we are studying the Bible, how many pagan priests have been said to be converted?  In early Christianity, how many pagan priests became Christians?  It may have happened.  I recall a story of Saint Nicholas chasing out all the pagan priest from a pagan temple.   I don't recall stories of Saint Nicholas converting them. 

Some people, with their soul, they may have been loving some false things, and they may have been ego invested into something wrong, to such a degree, that it is hard to move them.  A theologian who made a career out of being wrong, he may have been ego invested.  He may have written some books.  To find God, there may be shame.  He shamed himself. 

Someone can attack ideas without attacking people.  Bad ideas may be part of spiritual warfare.  Did someone, with their soul and identity, love some bad ideas, and personalize those bad ideas?  They may take you attacking bad ideas personally.  Part of spiritual warfare may be separating people from bad ideas. 




 

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[Manonfire63]

My perception of spiritual warfare in 2013 was people praying at Church.  I didn't know what Spiritual Warfare really was.  Everything I have been communicating or teaching the last day or so, it came through The Holy Ghost, and through learning by doing.  How does someone love God?  God's plan is the Kingdom of God.  Someone may be loving God by "doing."  It is not a sort cushy feeling of love.  Love by doing. 

To wage spiritual warfare to a higher degree, someone may need  Nothing to Lose.  A man with nothing to lose has everything to gain?  Someone is losing attachments to things physical towards being more of the spiritual, more of God. 

Things where someone may lose attachments: 
 

• Actual war like going to Iraq or Afghanistan. 
• Being in jail. 
• Being homeless. 
• Fasting.
• Going on a long journey with potential dangers. 
• Someone joining a monastery.  (Not Catholic but someone was letting go of attachments. 

Jesus sent his disciples out in twos with nothing but the clothes on their back.  How would they eat?  How would they sleep?  Where would they find shelter?  They were going out and "doing."  They were building the Kingdom of God.  They were learning to "Lean on God."  God would provide.  They don't worry.  Doubt and fear kill faith.  

Given you were building the Kingdom of God, and a mob of Marxist BLM people started chasing you.........that is what happens.  Given a man ends up in jail, with no way to bail himself out.......that is what happens.  Someone like Apostle Paul was chased, beaten, shipwrecked, thrown in jail.  Someone is putting their treasure in heaven.  We are going to heaven or bringing heaven down to us.  On Earth as it is in Heaven.  There is no doubt and no fear.  Someone is leaning on God in a knowledgeable dependence.   

Engaging in Spiritual Warfare more correctly, people may hate you.  They hated Jesus first.  They may whine, and complain.  There may be gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair.  Given God shepherds a man to expose their sins, they may attack him.  They may attack him looking for a law suit, or attacking physically, attack him with their words.  Someone may end up followed by the some three letter agencies, and be offered jobs or money or something.  A man puts his treasures in heaven.  He cannot be bought, negotiated with, and there is no compromise.  Christianity is go or no-go.  It is pass or fail.  Someone is in The Light of The Lord, or they are in The Dark.  This gets into Christian exclusivity.  Was someone a Christian or more of a Secular Humanist or ideologue?  

On Reddit there is /r/Theology, a place where there may be men with masters and PhD's.  On /r/AcademicBiblical, there are people with masters and degrees and PhD's  Both have a Discord they advertise.  Homework.  Go join those discords.  You don't have engage anyone or participate.  Join the discords and see what is being produced.  You will know them by their fruit. Those Theologians, they are "Teachers of Religious Law."  They may be building how people perceive God, how people perceive themselves, how people perceive reality.  Were they false shepherds?  Were they Worthless Shepherds?  Were they in The Light of The Lord or in The Dark?  

To really get into spiritual warfare, someone may need to separate themselves from things physical. They are rejecting The World.  The World may be a world of false perceptions like a Matrix.  A Feminist SJW, how she perceives things, That is her LIE.  Not her truth.  Her lie.  There is one Truth.  People come to Truth through The Lord Jesus Christ.  Part of Spiritual Warfare may be peeling back layers of lies and false perceptions.  Layers like an onion.  People may cry?   It may just be blowing said false perceptions up at times.  We are suppose to bring people into Truth gently, but there may be a time or season for blowing up people's false perceptions. 

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[Manonfire63]

Getting into spiritual warfare, God may have "Set someone up for it."  Someone may have walked in front of God, and didn't think about it much his whole life.  God may have conditioned someone his whole life for something, and suddenly he received a calling around the age of 30, and God was calling him in.  (Luke 3:23) 

Given you didn't know much about spiritual warfare before, that is understandable.  Given you would care to be part of spiritual warfare, now you may know more of what to pray for.  God likes Glory.  Glory is David slaying blasphemer Goliath.  Glory may be a man being victorious on a battlefield.  Glory may be an artist creating a masterpiece through God.  Glory may be a new born child.  God likes Glory.  Would you like to potentially work for God's Glory? 

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