Revelation 12:6 The Woman In The Wilderness Explained?

[The Light]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Often God does not give us the "flip side" of a verse, but leaves that up to our imagination. 

According to this passage, He will appear ONLY to those who are looking for Him. 

If you can ignore the rapture passages and have zero faith in being caught up, can you still be "looking" for Him? Can you be "expecting Him" any moment?

 

Well said brother. Most are aware that every will see Him when he comes. They are quick to quote that verse. But they forget about "unto them that look for him shall he appear.

That's part of the secret rapture. He will not be seen by everyone at this coming. That's why we are told to WATCH.

 

[truth7t7]

16 minutes ago, angels4u said:

What does Revelation chapter 12 mean?

In Revelation chapter 12, John sees a vision of a woman "clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" (Revelation 12:1). Note the similarity between this description and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.

Additional evidence for this interpretation is that Revelation 12:2-5 speaks of the woman being with child and giving birth. While it is true that Mary gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from Israel. In a sense, Israel gave birth—or brought forth—Christ Jesus. Verse 5 says that the woman’s child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus. Jesus ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and will one day establish His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will rule it with perfect judgment (the “rod of iron”; see Psalm 2:7-9).

The woman’s flight into the wilderness for 1,260 days refers to the future time called the Great Tribulation. Twelve hundred, sixty days is 42 months (of 30 days each), which is the same as 3 1/2 years. Halfway through the Tribulation period, the Beast (the Antichrist) will set an image of himself up in the temple that will be built in Jerusalem. This is the abomination that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. When the Beast does this, he breaks the peace pact he had made with Israel, and the nation has to flee for safety—possibly to Petra (also see Matthew 24; Daniel 9:27). This escape of the Jews is pictured as the woman fleeing into the wilderness.

Revelation 12:12-17 speaks of how the devil will make war against Israel, trying to destroy her (Satan knows his time is short, relatively speaking—see Revelation 20:1-3, 10). It also reveals that God will protect Israel in the wilderness. Revelation 12:14 says Israel will be protected from the devil for "a time, times, and half a time (“a time” = 1 year; “times” = 2 years; “half a time” = one-half year; in other words, 3 1/2 years).https://www.gotquestions.org/Revelation-chapter-12.html

Thanks for the response

I see the woman in verses 1 & 2 as being Israel who brought forth Jesus Christ being with child

I see verse 3 & 4 as a historical description of satan being cast out of heaven to the earth, and he used King Herod trying to devour Jesus when he was born

Verse 5 is a description of Jesus Christ, and he was caught up to the right hand of God, where he is presently

Verse 6 represents the remnant 144,000 fleeing to the wilderness of Bashan, Gilead, Carmel, as seen in Micah chapter 7

Hope that helps, Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 12:1-6KJV

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Edited January 9, 2022 by truth7t7

[The Light]

5 hours ago, tatwo said:

Yes, I have heard you say this…I have heard many people proclaim this as well. This has only casually intrigued me here’s why. One of the first things I learned a long time ago was, that “heaven,” “kingdom of heaven” and the “Kingdom of God” are synonymous…The Lord of Glory Himself said the kingdom of God “is near you” and “it is within you.” I am referring to the “eternal heavens”…not the “created heavens” of course.

I get it…when I was filled with His Holy Spirit….I became His Temple, His throne is established within me…His life’s essence, presence, love, power, and authority reside within me…in my spirit in the form of His Spirit.  His kingly authority and priestly righteousness are at work in me right now…I am already there.

As a result of these things…I am already in heaven…”The Light?” I am in His kingdom ruling and reigning on earth, learning each day how to allow Him more and more of me so I can fulfill His eternal desire with my life and death.

As the result of my recorded belief immediately above…the whole “rapture” dogma is simply of no consequence to me; rather it is totally nonsensical as I see it, therefore no need to contend for it.

Preference? Humm…this “rapture” you speak of…has some element of preference, or choice for the “Body of Christ?” So even though I am maturing in Christ’s image and likeness…learning, practicing, and offering an acceptable sacrifice of my life…on the “alter” in the “temple of God”…my belief or disbelief in such a thing as…when “I go to heaven” or what “I go through” while in the flesh on the earth…offers me some element of option in terms of timing?

If I am a maturing child of God in the Body of Christ do I really need to concern myself with a “rapture” or “secret rapture?” If the raptures occur…aren’t I already included? Conversely, if for some reason these “raptures” do not occur…what would be the difference to me?

I live and hope to die for Him…that’s my focus, His will for me is already established in eternity…and He is revealing it to me…that is His way…I trust in it. Will I get a chance, in whatever the conditions on earth are, to not love my life even when faced with death and in that…overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of my testimony, to prove my love for Him just as He did for His Father? I will…and that’s no secret “The Light!”

So you can see why I have no concern for this “rapture” or this “70^th week of Daniel” you speak of. As I see it…if these are issues for me to concern myself with…in the process of my letting Christ change the way I live, I'll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognizing what He wants from me, and I can quickly respond to it. God brings the best out of me, and develops a well-formed maturity in me.

Tatwo...:)

It would be wise to be concerned for this rapture. It would be wise to escape ALL THE THINGS that will come to pass.

That said, I'm happy for you that you are striving to be a maturing child of God. But part of that maturity is wisdom.

[truth7t7]

10 minutes ago, tatwo said:

You might be on to something here Selah7...flesh it out for us?

Tatwo...:)

Romans 11:7-8KJV

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

[truth7t7]

12 minutes ago, The Light said:

Well said brother. Most are aware that every will see Him when he comes. They are quick to quote that verse. But they forget about "unto them that look for him shall he appear.

That's part of the secret rapture. He will not be seen by everyone at this coming. That's why we are told to WATCH.

 

Jesus Christ Returns "Once" In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited January 9, 2022 by truth7t7

[tatwo]

1 minute ago, The Light said:

It would be wise to be concerned for this rapture. It would be wise to escape ALL THE THINGS that will come to pass.

That said, I'm happy for you that you are striving to be a maturing child of God. But part of that maturity is wisdom.

Escape if you can! "The Light"...

Let it be known...I am excitedly looking forward to that which creation eagerly waits...the revealing of the Son's of God...of which I intend on being a part of.

Tatwo...:)

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ Returns "Once" In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

Certainly He returns "once" after the tribulation, as shown in Matthew 24 and Revelation 19. But He also returns "once" before wrath as Paul wrote. If you are looking to see the Antichrist First, I believe God will honor that faith and you will see the Antichrist.

On the other hand, God has planned an escape from that. I am praying to be found worthy to escape. You can stay behind if that is what you are believing for.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Escape if you can! "The Light"...

Let it be known...I am excitedly looking forward to that which creation eagerly waits...the revealing of the Son's of God...of which I intend on being a part of.

Tatwo...:)

Keep in mind, everything we get from heaven we get by and through faith. Do you have faith in being caught up and taken to heaven as 1 Thes. 4 and John 14 explains?

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

I must state that “looking for and/or expecting Him”…and understanding the rapture passages can be two different things, nonetheless this is an interesting question…and I'm sure you will find this an “interesting” answer to say the least. I must say that I interpret your questioning of my statements…in a way that kinda makes me think you really do not understand what I posted.

My post…the one you responded to here…Really speaks to the fact that I feel that I have made a lifestyle out of seeking Him out. Therefore any insinuation that I am “not looking for Him, or expecting Him” could only reveal that my post was not understood, perhaps I could be clearer? If my assessment here is wrong…I’ll take your word for it…please forgive me, I’ll make the adjustment and overcome. 

A question “iamlamad”…did I say I “ignore” the rapture passages? I know them as well as you more than likely…I studied and sought the Lord for His understanding of these issues many years ago. I have learned them well…and have a spiritual understanding as to how these doctrines are to impact my spiritual existence…day to day, and…I am growing in Christ’s image and likeness….as attested to by Him and my family. 

As I see it…for those who are the “called and chosen” He’s already been found…His life is inside of me…what is the benefit of looking for that which you have already obtained? Crazy as it may sound to you and others…”no” I am not “expecting Him” at any moment.  

I have a prophetic understanding that I am presently working on at His behest…which is why I am on a forum called “Revelation 12:6 The Woman In The Wilderness Explained?” albeit, up to my neck in conversations about the “secret rapture.” If you want to give greater importance to “rapture” than I do…that is quite fine, get all of it that you can, may you be successful. 

I have been given the sense that the importance of who this woman from Rev. 12 is…is more imperative to me at this time…than the “secret rapture”…that, by all accounts…I would be a part of anyways…based upon my lifestyle in Christ. I am completely hidden with Christ in God at this time…He told me that, I am living it…this is an elementary doctrine. 

The real question as I see it is…now that we’re discussing this is…how is it that I *would not know* when His prophetic return is to occur…prior to its actual commencement if, I am still alive on the earth when He is revealed? That’s my faith…I am in preparations to live and die by it. Since when did the Lord Yahshua stop telling His Body what He is going to do before doing it, that’s always been His way??? 

His revelation was decided prior to creation…He knew the end from “before” the beginning. He has already told us when He is coming…we must pursue Him tirelessly…He digs that…then…soon enough He will appear in a way that most will be completely unaware of…I imagine the “woman” is a key to that.

Tatwo…

I am reminded of the football coach - after a game was lost: He held a football in his hands, and said, "this is a football." 

With that in mind:

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

What do you believe these two verses are saying?

 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Can we consider maybe...in "type" only?

Tatwo...:)

 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

WHO brought forth a man-child? Your answer should be related to the constellation Virgo, since John started the chapter with that picture.