Revelation 12:6 The Woman In The Wilderness Explained?

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Could the "Son" or "Man-Child" be the remnant Body...and the "woman" a type of Israel? Think about it.

Let's consider...what's the real importance of that passage...the "woman" or the "Son"...dare I say...that is "caught up" to God and His throne?

Tatwo...:)

I will share an experience I had with the Lord. I had been studying chapters 4 & 5, and He asked me three questions about those chapters that I could not answer. Finally, after several weeks of intense study and I still had not answered His questions, He said, "Go to chapter 12." I was obedient and went to chapter 12. 

As soon as I got my bible turned to chapter 12, He spoke:

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted, carefully: 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” I don’t think I was “in the spirit” at this time because I marked all the mentions of the Dragon and then counted them up. He waited for me.

He spoke again.

“I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a young child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

So Jesus, the head of the church showed me what He meant when He caused John to write. Those first five verses are written as a parenthesis and so have nothing to do with John's chronology. (In chapter 12, John is only seconds after the exact midpoint of the week.) They are there because Jesus chose to tell us that aspect of the Dragon.

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived
 

I think you write myth.

 

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

¹⁸ Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

¹ But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

² For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Why would Paul write of the Day of the Lord, in His rapture passage? Have you ever asked God why? 

³ For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Why would Paul write of "sudden destruction" in a rapture passage? Did you ever wonder?

⁹ For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Why would Paul write of appointments to God's wrath in a rapture passage?

 

The reason is, Jesus second (next) coming will trigger the resurrection of those who have died in Christ. Then the rapture will trigger the Day of the Lord and the start of His wrath.

In other words, "TIME" will be church age, or the age of Grace, and SUDDENLY the dead in Christ will fly up out of their graves, then the alive in Christ will be caught up, and the next moment it will be the Day of the Lord. The church age will be OVER.

Where would Paul's rapture scenario fit in Revelation? It fits just before the earthquake at the 6th seal. That is in chapter 6.

The "trib" goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16. That is why the rapture is PRE-trib. 

Then, AFTER the trib, Jesus will come as shown in Rev. 19 and Matthew 24. 

This is bible. 

 

[iamlamad]

22 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

There isn't time seen between verses 23-24 below as you claim, that would be adding to scripture something not seen, "Beware"!

Jesus quoted from the following scripture, but stopped with "the acceptable year of the Lord. 

1  The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2  To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

 

Why did He not quote the rest of the verse? Simple: there was (will  be) TIME between the two phrases. When Jesus spoke, it was at that time the acceptable year of the Lord. But the day of vengeance is still in our future. 

Therefore you err in saying "there isn't time." The truth is, there IS time between some scriptures. 

[The Light]

25 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

The "trib" goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16. That is why the rapture is PRE-trib. 

Then, AFTER the trib, Jesus will come as shown in Rev. 19 and Matthew 24. 

This is bible. 

 

The tribulation is the 1st 5 seals and Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth.

The Church is raptured BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, which is why you see kings and priests in heaven in Revelation 5 and 24 elders with crowns in Rev 4.

The seals are what Jesus talks about in Matt 24 beginning with false Christs. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal with the coming of Jesus. Then the wrath of God begins. The tribulation and the wrath of God are completely separate events.

[tatwo]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Thanks for the response

I see the woman in verses 1 & 2 as being Israel who brought forth Jesus Christ being with child

I see verse 3 & 4 as a historical description of satan being cast out of heaven to the earth, and he used King Herod trying to devour Jesus when he was born

Verse 5 is a description of Jesus Christ, and he was caught up to the right hand of God, where he is presently

Verse 6 represents the remnant 144,000 fleeing to the wilderness of Bashan, Gilead, Carmel, as seen in Micah chapter 7

Hope that helps, Jesus Is The Lord

It clarifies exactly what you have learned...thank you.

I have some understanding...that tells me that what you said is correct...as type /shadow pointing us to a more clear revelation.

Tatwo 

[tatwo]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

WHO brought forth a man-child? Your answer should be related to the constellation Virgo, since John started the chapter with that picture.

That's the right question...at this point I want to say that "Israel" is the type/shadow of this woman.

Do you understand "type/shadow?" No offence intended, just a question.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Keep in mind, everything we get from heaven we get by and through faith. Do you have faith in being caught up and taken to heaven as 1 Thes. 4 and John 14 explains?

Since this forum is "somewhat open"...May I ask you to simply explain "faith" to me?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

3 hours ago, angels4u said:

What does Revelation chapter 12 mean?

In Revelation chapter 12, John sees a vision of a woman "clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" (Revelation 12:1). Note the similarity between this description and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
 

Angels4u...

You said much...thank you...I would like to speak to this, perhaps?

Twelve at times was used by The Lord to establish "Government" and if we look into it...a "crown" refers to rule...

Tatwo...:)

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

If you are looking to see the Antichrist First, I believe God will honor that faith and you will see the Antichrist.

On the other hand, God has planned an escape from that. I am praying to be found worthy to escape. You can stay behind if that is what you are believing for.

The Scripture below clearly teaches that the church will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the (Man of Sin) Antichrist being revealed, Paul clearly warned the Church against your teaching that they wouldn't see the Antichrist

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Edited January 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[The Light]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ Returns "Once" In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

 

Not even close brother. You've got a real mess.

Jesus returns for His Church, His bride, before the seals are opened which is before the 70th week of Daniel. He will come in the secret pretribulation when those that are watching for Him will see Him.

Jesus will return again for His Chosen bride, the twelve tribes across the earth, at the 6th seal, which is before the Wrath of God. All eyes will see the coming of the Lord. It is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Jesus will return at the end of the Wrath of God at the 7th trumpet. The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord. He will set up the millennial kingdom on earth. 

At the end of 1000 years Gog/Magog will happen. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

You need to rethink everything you think you know, besides Jesus is the Messiah.