Revelation 12:6 The Woman In The Wilderness Explained?

[The Light]

27 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Scripture below clearly teaches that the church will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the (Man of Sin) Antichrist being revealed, Paul clearly warned the Church against your teaching that they wouldn't see the Antichrist

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Way, way, way off brother. 

THAT DAY... the Day of the Lord will not happen except there come a falling away first and that man of sin is revealed.

That proves only that the Day of the Lord cannot happen until the falling away and the man of sin revealed. This has nothing to do with the Church. The Church is already raptured to heaven before the seals are opened. The day of the Lord doesn't happen until the 6th seal.

[truth7t7]

6 minutes ago, The Light said:

Not even close brother. You've got a real mess.

Jesus returns for His Church, His bride, before the seals are opened which is before the 70th week of Daniel. He will come in the secret pretribulation when those that are watching for Him will see Him.

Jesus will return again for His Chosen bride, the twelve tribes across the earth, at the 6th seal, which is before the Wrath of God. All eyes will see the coming of the Lord. It is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Jesus will return at the end of the Wrath of God at the 7th trumpet. The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord. He will set up the millennial kingdom on earth. 

At the end of 1000 years Gog/Magog will happen. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

You need to rethink everything you think you know, besides Jesus is the Messiah.

 

We Disagree

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[The Light]

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Yeah, you got some things that will happen, you just aren't getting WHEN they will happen.

I'll try to keep this simple, if I can. You quote Matthew 24. This event happens at the 6th seal. The sixth seal is the return of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. Jesus will remain in the clouds, but all eyes will see His coming.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Then you quote Rev 20 but you seem to ignore the previous verses that tell you that it is after 1000 years.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So the events of Revelation 21 with a new heaven and a new earth happen at the end of the 1000 year Day of the Lord.

And the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, happen at the 6th seal, before the Day of the Lord begins.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Scripture below clearly teaches that the church will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the (Man of Sin) Antichrist being revealed, Paul clearly warned the Church against your teaching that they wouldn't see the Antichrist

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

You are all mixed up here. "That day" means the Day of the Lord - that dark day of destruction where God will destroy the world and the sinners in the world.

That day, the Day of the Lord, will be present (will have already started) when someone sees the great departing (the church raptured) and then sees the man of sin revealed.

The man of in CANNOT be revealed until the One restraining him is "taken out of the way." That will happen because it is the Holy Spirit, using the authority of the church, the restrain or hold back the revealing of the Antichrist. When the church is taken out of the way - departed - then the man of sin will be revealed - and then all should know, the Day has started and they are IN IT.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation
 

Why would anyone so blatantly disagree with John? 

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, tatwo said:

Since this forum is "somewhat open"...May I ask you to simply explain "faith" to me?

Tatwo...:)

Anyone's faith can be heard by what people say. (We believe, therefore we speak...) People speak (or write) what they believe.  Jesus read people's level of faith by their words. 

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, tatwo said:

That's the right question...at this point I want to say that "Israel" is the type/shadow of this woman.

Do you understand "type/shadow?" No offence intended, just a question.

Tatwo...:)

I don't think we need types or shadows here: they were in the Old Testament as shadows of what would come in the New. 

I choose to believe what God spoke to me, that He "chose" to show John what the Dragon (Satan) did when Jesus was a young boy. We know the dragon used King Herod to try and murder Jesus. Since John was the youngest disciple, these things happened before John was born. It was indeed, a "history lesson" for John, exactly as Jesus spoke to me.

(I don't and won't apologize for hearing the voice of God.)

Where on a timeline of Revelation, would you put chapter 12?

[iamlamad]

18 hours ago, The Light said:

The tribulation is the 1st 5 seals and Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth.

The Church is raptured BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, which is why you see kings and priests in heaven in Revelation 5 and 24 elders with crowns in Rev 4.

The seals are what Jesus talks about in Matt 24 beginning with false Christs. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal with the coming of Jesus. Then the wrath of God begins. The tribulation and the wrath of God are completely separate events.

We have been over this time and again. You imagine the 70th-week in the seals, but God and John are in church history in the seals. You are 2000 years off. Don't take my word for it, take John's: WHEN did Jesus ascend and send the Holy Spirit down? (That is when He got the book.)

[iamlamad]

21 hours ago, The Light said:

Well said brother. Most are aware that every will see Him when he comes. They are quick to quote that verse. But they forget about "unto them that look for him shall he appear.

That's part of the secret rapture. He will not be seen by everyone at this coming. That's why we are told to WATCH.

 

If I remember right, I counted 12 times we are told to watch! And in at least two or three of them, we are told to watch for HIM. On the other hand, posttribbers and prewrathers expect to see the Antichrist first.

[tatwo]

48 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Anyone's faith can be heard by what people say. (We believe, therefore we speak...) People speak (or write) what they believe.  Jesus read people's level of faith by their words. 

Thanks...that clarifies somethings.

Tatwo...:)