Mama Etna Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,979 Content Per Day: 5.38 Reputation: 6,069 Days Won: 45 Joined: 11/05/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1961 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 without any snipping 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Â Emphasis mine. Â 1 Corinthians 15: 50-54Â pasted without any truncation 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Â Â It looks like rapture too me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,696 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Those who wish for a 'rapture', a Spiritual relocation have the right to believe such a thing. What is very apparent in all the Prophesies, is that there is no group going to heaven. A transportation, yes; similar to what happened to Philip. Acts 8:39 However rapture belief or a belief, as I have; of an amazing future for His faithful people here on earth, is not a Salvation issue. It we believe in Jesus and accept His Salvation, we will receive Eternal Life. John 3:16 And when things start to happen; we must Call upon His Name and we shall be saved.  Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Psalms 116:4,+  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 502 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Michael37 said: Let's get this right . . . Christians who have "fallen asleep", or "sleep in Christ", and are termed "the dead in Christ", meaning they have predeceased those still living at the Parousia, rise first, then those still living rise to be with them. 1Th 4:13-18  But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.  (14)  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.  (15)  For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.  (16)  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.  (17)  Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.  (18)  Therefore comfort one another with these words. Yes, that is correct and the word is true. There is a difference between the dead in Christ rising and those who have never seen death being caught up. These are connected and sequenced. The rapture is the catching up of those who have never and will never see death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Mama Etna said: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 without any snipping 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Â Emphasis mine. Â 1 Corinthians 15: 50-54Â pasted without any truncation 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Â Â It looks like rapture too me. It's a rapture alright, at the second coming of Jesus Christ, at the last day resurrection (The End) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,994 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.75 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 19 hours ago, Keras said: 1 Thess 4:13-18 .....the Lord will descend from heaven......As Revelation 19:12 says  Those killed during the Great Trib, will rise; Revelation 20:4.  And the Christians who have survived until them will meet the Lord in the clouds, to be where He is. Matthew 24:31 1 Cor 15:50-56 Is a prophecy entirely about things to happen at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Proved by how it is then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4 The Bible does not tell us that we will be taken to live in heaven. It is false teachers who say that. 1 Timothy 6:2b-6 Quote It is false teachers who say that. 1 Are you saying that born again believers who believe in the rapture are false teachers?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 55 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Keras said: Those who wish for a 'rapture', a Spiritual relocation have the right to believe such a thing. What is very apparent in all the Prophesies, is that there is no group going to heaven. A transportation, yes; similar to what happened to Philip. Acts 8:39 However rapture belief or a belief, as I have; of an amazing future for His faithful people here on earth, is not a Salvation issue. It we believe in Jesus and accept His Salvation, we will receive Eternal Life. John 3:16 And when things start to happen; we must Call upon His Name and we shall be saved.  Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Psalms 116:4,+  Can you be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, seeking the lost said: Yes, that is correct and the word is true. There is a difference between the dead in Christ rising and those who have never seen death being caught up. These are connected and sequenced. The rapture is the catching up of those who have never and will never see death. The scripture clearly teaches that all will be tested by the Lords last day judgement by fire, yes the human body will be burned up and die, however it will be in the twinkling of an eye The wicked will be caught in this fire for eternity, the lake of fire 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Isaiah 30:33KJV 33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Edited January 26, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,033 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,944 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: The scripture clearly teaches that all will be tested by the Lords last day judgement by fire, yes the human body will be burned up and die, however it will be in the twinkling of an eye The wicked will be caught in this fire for eternity, the lake of fire 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Ah, the changed, incorruptible, immortal spiritual body . . . 1Co 15:42-44  So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.  (43)  It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.  (44)  It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:50-53  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.  (51)  Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—  (52)  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  (53)  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Ah, the changed, incorruptible, immortal spiritual body . . . 1Co 15:42-44  So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.  (43)  It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.  (44)  It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:50-53  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.  (51)  Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—  (52)  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  (53)  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Yes the dead in Christ will be raised, and the living in Christ will be caught up, changed in the twinkling of an eye, death is swallowed up in victory, as the glorified eternal body is received, eternity begins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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