God's Divine Protection Of The Church, During The Hour Of Earths Temptation

[Last Daze]

10 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Isaiah did not prophesy about the Church. It was not yet revealed to him (Eph.3:9, Col.1:26).

Isaiah is part of the church, the called out assembly.  Both the OT saints and the NT saints make up the bride of Christ.  This can be seen in Revelation 21 where the 12 tribes are mentioned as well as the 12 apostles as being part of the bride.

[AdHoc]

19 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Isaiah did not prophesy about the Church. It was not yet revealed to him (Eph.3:9, Col.1:26).

Revelation 3:10 contradicts your theory. It says the Lord will "keep them from the HOUR". That is, they won't be there AT THE TIME of tribulation. Added to this, it is NOT "keep them IN tribulation", but, "keep them FROM". If they were on earth the tribulation would get them - for it is said by the holy Spirit "shall come upon THE WHOLE EARTH". There is no safe place ON EARTH!

 

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Isaiah was prophesying to those that would be present on earth at the time of the "Future" resurrection, this takes place close to the Lords indignation and hour of temptation, at the Lords return "Future"

"Come My People" = Church On Earth

Isaiah 26:19-21KJV

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 3:10KJV
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The reader will notice that you carefully avoided my objection. You don't have an answer, do you?

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

 

The reader will notice that you carefully avoided my objection. You don't have an answer, do you?

The reader will notice that your objection and claim was directly answered, Isaiah prophesied "about" and "to" the "Future" Church on earth

Isaiah 26:20-21 shows directly how the church on earth will be kept "from the hour of temptation", it's "Self Explanitory" and Revelation 3:10 doesn't represent a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven as you suggest

"Come My People"

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Quote AdHoc:

Isaiah did not prophesy about the Church. It was not yet revealed to him (Eph.3:9, Col.1:26).

Revelation 3:10 contradicts your theory. It says the Lord will "keep them from the HOUR". That is, they won't be there AT THE TIME of tribulation.

Response Truth7t7:

Isaiah was prophesying to those that would be present on earth at the time of the "Future" resurrection, this takes place close to the Lords indignation and hour of temptation, at the Lords return "Future"

"Come My People" = Church On Earth

Isaiah 26:19-21KJV

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 3:10KJV
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Edited February 8, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The reader will notice that your objection and claim was directly answered, Isaiah prophesied "about" and "to" the "Future" Church on earth

Isaiah 26:20-21 shows directly how the church on earth will be kept "from the hour of temptation", it's "Self Explanitory" and Revelation 3:10 doesn't represent a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven as you suggest

"Come My People"

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Quote AdHoc:

Isaiah did not prophesy about the Church. It was not yet revealed to him (Eph.3:9, Col.1:26).

Revelation 3:10 contradicts your theory. It says the Lord will "keep them from the HOUR". That is, they won't be there AT THE TIME of tribulation.

Response Truth7t7:

Isaiah was prophesying to those that would be present on earth at the time of the "Future" resurrection, this takes place close to the Lords indignation and hour of temptation, at the Lords return "Future"

"Come My People" = Church On Earth

Isaiah 26:19-21KJV

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 3:10KJV
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The reader will note that you contradict, but do not deal with the fact that the Church is NOT revealed in the Old Testament prophets. Ephesians 3:5-9 and Colossians 1:26-27 were ignored. I now add Matt.13:17, Luke 10:24, Romans 16:25  and 2nd Timothy 1:10-11. 

Isaiah prophesied concerning JUDAH in Isaiah 26 (verse 1). The immediate context of verses 19-21 is RESURRECTION, which, according to Daniel 12:2 is AFTER the Great Tribulation.

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Isaiah is part of the church, the called out assembly.  Both the OT saints and the NT saints make up the bride of Christ.  This can be seen in Revelation 21 where the 12 tribes are mentioned as well as the 12 apostles as being part of the bride.

Could you perhaps find some verses where Israel (i) believe in Christ, (ii) come out of Christ like Eve came out of Adam, (iii) have been delivered from her divorce from God, (iv) is made the same as the Church, and (v) where the Walls of a City are made the same as Gates. How could Israel persecute Christ and His disciples but be called the Church? Are they not enemies? How could Israel be called Paul's "brethren according to the FLESH" (Rom.9) when the Church is born by the SPIRIT? How could Galatians CONTRAST them in so many ways and yet they are one? I propose that throughout the Bible Israel is a different and separate entity.

But perhaps first, you must answer how the Old Testament could be all about the Nation of Israel and then the New Testament says that the Church was not revealed to them (Matt.13:17, Lk.10:24, Rom.16:25, Eph.3:5-9, Col.1:26, 2nd Tim.1:10-11).

Edited February 8, 2022 by AdHoc
grammar

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Isaiah prophesied concerning JUDAH in Isaiah 26 (verse 1). The immediate context of verses 19-21 is RESURRECTION, which, according to Daniel 12:2 is AFTER the Great Tribulation.

Isaiah prophesied about a future land called Judah, and a city describing a building as salvation, where only the righteous saved keeping the truth may enter

This represents "The New Jerusalem" seen in Revelation 21:24-26 below in a parallel teaching,  the eternal city to be seen "After" the Lords return and resurrection seen in Isaiah 26:19:21 as previously presented

"In That Day" represents "The Day Of The Lord" 

Isaiah 26:1-2KJV

1 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks.

2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.

Revelation 21:24-26KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Edited February 8, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

34 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

The reader will note that you contradict, but do not deal with the fact that the Church is NOT revealed in the Old Testament prophets. Ephesians 3:5-9 and Colossians 1:26-27 were ignored. I now add Matt.13:17, Luke 10:24, Romans 16:25  and 2nd Timothy 1:10-11. 

Isaiah prophesied concerning JUDAH in Isaiah 26 (verse 1). The immediate context of verses 19-21 is RESURRECTION, which, according to Daniel 12:2 is AFTER the Great Tribulation.

I Disagree, The Church is revealed in Isaiah 26:19-21 as previously explained several times "Come My People" The Church on earth during the future resurrection to take place

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Could you perhaps find some verses where Israel is (i) believe in Christ, (ii) come out of Christ like Eve came out of Adam, (iii) delivered from her divorce from God, (iv) made the same as the Church, and (v) where the Walls of a City are made the same as Gates. How could Israel persecute Christ and His disciples but be called the Church? Are they not enemies? How could Israel be called Paul's "brethren according to the FLESH" (Rom.9) when the Church is born by the SPIRIT? How could Galatians CONTRAST them in so many ways and yet they are one? I propose that throughout the Bible Israel is a different and separate entity.

But perhaps first, you must answer how the Old Testament could be all about the Nation of Israel and then the New Testament says that the Church was not revealed to them (Matt.13:17, Lk.10:24, Rom.16:25, Eph.3:5-9, Col.1:26, 2nd Tim.1:10-11).

You wander away from the topic of my claims in the opinion, I have no desire to head down this road regarding your claims of the church isnt found in the old testament, I have responded to this claim "Several Times"

The Church is revealed in Isaiah 26:19-21 as previously explained several times "Come My People" The Church on earth during the future resurrection to take place

Edited February 8, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

22 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Just to dovetail on your reply:

Enoch was caught up from the coming global judgment, I believe is symbolic of the second global judgment, because the true church pleases God (not to mention what Paul says). Noah was lifted up and carried through the global judgment with a remnant. I think this could represent the 1/3 remnant of the Jews being protected through the Tribulation.

This is a reasonable assumption, especially when a type can illustrate more than one thing.

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Isaiah prophesied about a future city called Judah, and describes its building as salvation, only the righteous saved keeping the truth may enter

This represents "The New Jerusalem" seen in Revelation 21:24-26 below in a parallel teaching,  the eternal city to be seen "After" the Lords return and resurrection seen in Isaiah 26:19:21 as previously presented

"In That Day" represents "The Day Of The Lord" 

Isaiah 26:1-2KJV

1 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks.

2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.

Revelation 21:24-26KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Again you duck those scriptures. May the reader judge.