The crisis in the church

[yomotalking]

At the church I attend there are a lot of adults involved in the Middle and Sr. High youth group.  These two groups meet on Sunday evenings and if I were to take a guess I'd say there is probably a ration of 1 adult to 7 youth in the Middle school group and 1 adult to 4 youth in the Sr. High group.  I do not know about the elementary youth group because they meet during the week and by the time I get home from work and drive 40 minutes to church there would only be maybe 15 minutes left so we don't go to that. 

Also in a church that is near home where one of my daughters attends their Sr. High youth group the adults work with the kids at a ratio of about 1 adult to 5 youth.  My daughter has grown very fond of the adult leader in her small group and even has telephoned her a time or two.

In both churches there is praise time, bible study time and group discussion time.  In both churches I have found that the adults who are involved with the youth are very attentive and willing to drop whatever they are doing when one of the youth is in need. 

I feel God has blessed me with a wonderful home church and a wonderful closer to home church.  I never realized that it was not like this everywhere.  I truly feel blessed.

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You are more blessed than you know it.

[Guest JAR61]

You Hit A Nerve in Me

I am a 43 yo. dad with 3 daughters. I recently returned from a missions trip with 28 people, many of whom were teenagers. While the kids did a good job, I have never seen a more disrespectful, detached and undisciplined group of kids in my life.

Not once did I hear, Mr or Missus, I heard teenagers calling adults by the first names. There was no deference to the adults. They felt free to ridicule and talk back to adults.

I approached the pastor about this who was on the trip. I think this whole concept of unaccountable, undisciplined love is an issue that church pastors have got to correct and have made worst by their reticence to correct.

We live in a culture in which feminism and freedom from being "offended" has replaced true love for our kids.

Now, let me set the picture. I am mew to this church and was the "outsider" and was much made to feel like that by the kids. One girl in particular was crass to me and very disrespectful. At one point in time she said something very disparaging.

She did it while we were in a fellowship environment and I finally rebuked her publically. Do you know, not one of the elders, not one other adult sought to correct her behavior? I was appalled. They all made excuses.

We can't think we are going to love our kids without once and awhile rebuking them.

[other one]

SJ, this would be just a tad bit off subject, but if you are in Oklahoma and you overheard that conversation personally about her being abused and didn't notify DHS, you actually broke at least one law and maybe more.

Churches that I know of around here in shawnee would give her a lot of support if anyone of the chruches knew of the problem.

Sam

[apothanein kerdos]

Honestly Jar, if i am called by my first name and even disagreed with yet the youth is serving Christ in a true fashion and understands the basic tennets of Christianity and it welcomed in the church....I don't think I would care.

Sam, it was reported

[yomotalking]

I want the good days I've heard of in the 19............whatevers.....

When kids were respectable-looking, and smart....

And Childhood did not end at Primary School.

As soon as I hit 11....BANG!!!!

I was hurled into pressure to be mature..........

I hated it......

But now, I guess, I'm getting used to it.

But it's not nice.