Did The 70AD Destruction Of The Temple In Jerusalem, Fulfill Matthew 24:2?

[truth7t7]

The 70AD destruction of the Jerusalem Temple, played no part in fulfillment of Matthew 24:2

As per John's account of the temple visit, Jesus Christ spoke of the "Symbolic" destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, that was seen in his death, burial, and resurrection

When Jesus Christ died, the veil in the temple was torn, God vacated "His Interest In" the temple, its was "Gone" not one stone upon another

His disciples remembered after his resurrection what was said concerning the temple in Jerusalem, his resurrection, and bodily temple

Matthew 24:2KJV

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

John 2:19-22KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

(2/7/2022 11:42 PST) Correction Added: "His Interest In" for calrification

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

When Jesus Christ died, the veil in the temple was torn, God vacated the temple, its was "Gone" not one stone upon another

Can you expound on this?  Are you saying that when the veil was torn, the whole thing came crashing down?

[truth7t7]

27 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Can you expound on this?  Are you saying that when the veil was torn, the whole thing came crashing down?

As Jesus clearly stated,"Destroy This Temple" and in three days he would raise it up

The temple in Jerusalem was destroyed "Symbolically" when the Lord died as seen below, the veil to the Holy place was torn, God vacated the temple (Gone) no longer in existence in the Spiritual

Jesus Christ wasnt teaching of a literal temple of stones, but the temple in his glorified body, who is now the mediator between man and God,no temple,no holy place, no ark of the covenant, no mercy seat, no high priest, no temple in Jerusalem (Gone)

Matthew 27:50-51KJV

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The 70AD destruction of the Jerusalem Temple, played no part in fulfillment of Matthew 24:2

As per John's account of the temple visit, Jesus Christ spoke of the "Symbolic" destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, that was seen in his death, burial, and resurrection

When Jesus Christ died, the veil in the temple was torn, God vacated the temple, its was "Gone" not one stone upon another

His disciples remembered after his resurrection what was said concerning the temple in Jerusalem, his resurrection, and bodily temple

Matthew 24:2KJV

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

John 2:19-22KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

I BELIEVE, the temple was constructed for Jesus Christ and wasn't needed after Christ Jesus was raised up out of here.  


Joining the 'already in progress' dress down by Jesus....

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

So yes, I believe its destruction had to do with this prophecy.  It was spoken as literal and it literally happened.  



20 minutes or so later....Those who 'divided' did a poor job in my opinion and have caused much confusion. 

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

[truth7t7]

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I BELIEVE, the temple was constructed for Jesus Christ and wasn't needed after Christ Jesus was raised up out of here.  


Joining the 'already in progress' dress down by Jesus....

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

So yes, I believe its destruction had to do with this prophecy.  It was spoken as literal and it literally happened.  



20 minutes or so later....Those who 'divided' did a poor job in my opinion and have caused much confusion. 

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

We Disagree

As the opinion shows, John gave a clear account regarding his participation in the temple visit, and it was the temple of the Lords body talked about, not a literal temple in Jerusalem

"This Generation" represents a future generation that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and the Lords return

1. What is near even at the doors?

2. What is the day and hour no man knows?

"The Lords Return", a future event unfulfilled

Matthew 24:32-36KJV

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree

As the opinion shows, John gave a clear account regarding his participation in the temple visit, and it was the temple of the Lords body talked about, not a literal temple in Jerusalem

"This Generation" represents a future generation that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and the Lords return

1. What is near even at the doors?

2. What is the day and hour no man knows?

"The Lords Return", a future event unfulfilled

Matthew 24:32-36KJV

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

I DON'T believe THE GENERATION that ACTUALLY KILLED OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR was going to walk away UNSCATHED

                                                                             NO MATTER WHAT

 truths it may hold for future events.  

What He said as to HIS BODY was ANOTHER prophecy non dependent upon the 70AD events.   WE can get rid of everything above where I divided the chapters and NOTHING IS CHANGED.  The end time events still FALL upon the end time generation.  You have to admit 30 verses later is quite a bit.  It comes even before the beginning of sorrows.  

If you have some doctrine that 'requires' it,  then that is what you believe.  I just don't personally agree that is the only option.  I believe it was a literal temple because a literal temple was destroyed just like He said it would be.  I think it ALSO had to do with His body because THAT ALSO took place.  Does it also come into future play?  IDK.  But, Gods word is like that.  The same things happen over and over again.  Sometimes the changes are hard to spot.  Sometimes not.  The SECOND we ASSIGN something to them and close them off from ever being anything different is the day we shut ourselves off from allowing the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us.  If anything it is a lesson to LET GOD TELL THE STORIES AND NOT let ourselves do so.  I personally like that it effected BOTH worlds and not just one.  But that is just me.  

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I DON'T believe THE GENERATION that ACTUALLY KILLED OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR was going to walk away UNSCATHED

                                                                             NO MATTER WHAT

 truths it may hold for future events.  

What He said as to HIS BODY was ANOTHER prophecy non dependent upon the 70AD events.   WE can get rid of everything above where I divided the chapters and NOTHING IS CHANGED.  The end time events still FALL upon the end time generation.  You have to admit 30 verses later is quite a bit.  It comes even before the beginning of sorrows.  

If you have some doctrine that 'requires' it,  then that is what you believe.  I just don't personally agree that is the only option.  I believe it was a literal temple because a literal temple was destroyed just like He said it would be.  I think it ALSO had to do with His body because THAT ALSO took place.  Does it also come into future play?  IDK.  But, Gods word is like that.  The same things happen over and over again.  Sometimes the changes are hard to spot.  Sometimes not.  The SECOND we ASSIGN something to them and close them off from ever being anything different is the day we shut ourselves off from allowing the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us.  If anything it is a lesson to LET GOD TELL THE STORIES AND NOT let ourselves do so.  I personally like that it effected BOTH worlds and not just one.  But that is just me.  

Thanks for the response! 

Matthew 24, Mark 13, John 2, all give a glimpse into the temple visit, all speak of a temple destruction

However John's account of this temple visit in precise detail interprets the Lords claim of a "Temple Destruction" as being "Symbolic" and not literal

Many are caught in the interpretation of the Pharisees in a literal temple being destroyed, as John clearly states it was the temple of the Lords body, and not a literal temple in Jerusalem as the pharisees believed 

Scripture Interprets Itself

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:2KJV

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

John 2:19-22KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Our Lord Jesus, shown the "buildings of the Temple", answered "SEE ye not THESE THINGS". If He meant His body, he mislead His disciples - commonly called lying. Our Lord Jesus was not what the disciples pointed to. Our Lord Jesus was not plural as "buildings" is. Our Lord Jesus was NOT made of "stones". And at our Lord's death He was not taken apart stone by stone. Not even one bone of His body was broken.

Added to this, since prophecy is judged by history, the prophecy was so accurately fulfilled that it could only come from God. The historians tell us that when the Roman forces burned Jerusalem in 70 AD, the fire melted the gold in the Temple and it ran down among the stones. When it had cooled the Roman soldiers, as was customary, looted Jerusalem. To get the gold among the fallen stones they turned over every stone.

An objection to this is that parts of Herod's additions to the Temple are still standing. But those architectural feats were NOT the Temple. The Lord did not order them, nor did Solomon's Temple have them.

Edited February 7, 2022 by AdHoc

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Thanks for the response! 

Matthew 24, Mark 13, John 2, all give a glimpse into the temple visit, all speak of a temple destruction

However John's account of this temple visit in precise detail interprets the Lords claim of a "Temple Destruction" as being "Symbolic" and not literal

Many are caught in the interpretation of the Pharisees in a literal temple being destroyed, as John clearly states it was the temple of the Lords body, and not a literal temple in Jerusalem as the pharisees believed 

Scripture Interprets Itself

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:2KJV

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

John 2:19-22KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Again, OK.  I believe the Jesus preached the same message more than one time and I don't think it was the exact same every time as you pointed out it is specific in one and not the other.  The literal temple was destroyed and it was in that generation.  Coincidence?  That would be weird.  Both temples were destroyed.  One was rebuilt in the body of Jesus and the ONCE stone one was rebuilt in the lively stones.  

So, I do see your point.  I understand your point.  But what you have pointed out has not changed my view, it is not enough to conclusively say THAT IS THE ONLY TRUTH TO BE HAD.  I think that is why we must allow the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT and since we know that everyone is given different gifts and different measures and at different times and what we don't see today we may see tomorrow and we are speaking with someone who went through the same thing and they saw it yesterday, we should be more careful in how we address the situations.  Think about it.  The Holy Spirit led someone else before you were led so you do not yet possess the information they do.   IF WHAT THEY SAY does not contradict any of Gods Words they if you tell them they are incorrect, it isn't really them you are telling at all, is it? 

Just saying...I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.  I understand why you believe as you do.  

Usually it seems when one has such a definite stance on something,  it comes from something else that is dependent on that being the only TRUTH.  I don't like any doctrine that REQUIRES the elimination of another angle that does not in anyway contradict EVEN if it becomes an escape avenue for a doctrine to follow.  

I pray we both continue to grow and mature and we both receive  both the former and latter rain soon...May God Bless...d

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Our Lord Jesus, shown the "buildings of the Temple", answered "SEE ye not THESE THINGS". If He meant His body, he mislead His disciples - commonly called lying. Our Lord Jesus was not what the disciples pointed to. Our Lord Jesus was not plural as "buildings" is. Our Lord Jesus was NOT made of "stones". And at our Lord's death He was not taken apart stone by stone. Not even one bone of His body was broken.

Added to this, since prophecy is judged by history, the prophecy was so accurately fulfilled that it could only come from God. The historians tell us that when the Roman forces burned Jerusalem in 70 AD, the fire melted the gold in the Temple and it ran down among the stones. When it had cooled the Roman soldiers, as was customary, looted Jerusalem. To get the gold among the fallen stones they turned over every stone.

An objection to this is that parts of Herod's additions to the Temple are still standing. But those architectural feats were NOT the Temple. The Lord did not order them, nor did Solomon's Temple have them.

It's your opinion, and it's my opinion your wrong

John clearly stated it was the "Temple Of The Lords Body"

Yes Jesus stated to the Pharisees "Destroy This Temple" and that destruction was "Symbolic" as scripture teaches below 

If Jesus was speaking of a literal destruction and rebuilding of the temple, he would be lying to the Pharisees 

John 2:19-22KJV

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7