Jerusalem is Falling #2

[WilliamL]

On 2/21/2022 at 9:59 AM, abcdef said:

You say that the Ezek 38-39 war never took place.

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So when does it take place?

When in the future to us do they fight with the primitive weapons that are mentioned there?

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During the time of the Seventh Bowl.

[abcdef]

On 2/25/2022 at 3:45 PM, WilliamL said:

Wrong. All of Israel was taken captive to Babylon, or fled to Egypt, after Jerusalem fell to Babyl0n. Israel did not exist in the land for 7 years to burn anything.

Your statement reveals that you do not even know the biblical history contained in 2 Kings, 2 Chronicles, and Jeremiah. Please study the biblical record, and not make things up.

Excuse me brother,

But maybe you did not read 7t7's reply correctly.

He stated that the time spoken of was after the captivity in Babylon.

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Which I agree with.

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[abcdef]

On 2/25/2022 at 3:47 PM, WilliamL said:

During the time of the Seventh Bowl.

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Please expand on your statement that the Ezek 38-39 battle takes place during the time of the 7th vial/bowl.

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It appears that you are implying that the battle of Armageddon takes place with bows and arrows, sticks and stones, and swords as weapons.

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If it is future from us, how is that possible?

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[abcdef]

On 2/25/2022 at 3:38 PM, WilliamL said:

Prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

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My point exactly.

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At this present time there is no hard evidence either way that the Ezek 38-39 war has taken place.

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Your statement that it was not possible to have taken place in the past is speculation on your part, again without proof.

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But you cannot explain the use of primitive weapons for a future battle.

The use of the primitive weapons shows that it is past.

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[abcdef]

On 2/25/2022 at 3:38 PM, WilliamL said:

Prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

Oh, by the way, Santa Claus does exist, but few people know this.

The Bishop of Rome is Santa Claus on the "Day of the Dead" every year.

And there are many dead Santas in the Vatican, take a look at their corpses.

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Isn't it strange how Christians embrace a tradition that they know little or nothing about?

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Edited February 27, 2022 by abcdef

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Gog and Magog happen after the 1000 years.

"And when the 1000 years are finished...
Gog and Magog.." Revelation 20:7-8

Ezekiel and Revelation are giving the same prophecy
concerning the coming resurrections.

The order that the texts give speaks for itself:

Ezekiel 37:1-14 = Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:14-28 = Reign
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog.

 

"...neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all"
       Ezekiel 37:22
       "Also Judah took Gaza..." Judges 1:18
        And Joshua 22 describes the territory of Gad and half of Manasseh
       which today is in modern Jordan.
       Therefore Ezekiel 37:22 clearly does not apply to the 'state' of Israel today,
       the territory today is less than half of the original,
       and they don't have Gaza, the place is divided into three general nations,
       with generally three governing bodies;
       one in Gaza, one in the West Bank, and one in Israel.

 

What happened in 1948-1967 was the beginning of another captivity.
It was not some great restoration of Israel, Israel is still divided,
we are still awaiting the return of the Messiah.
When He returns, Israel's dead men shall rise, and be brought back
very gloriously to Israel. David will be literally resurrected; Jeremiah 30:9
and so we know Ezekiel 37:24 is talking about literally David.
Those resurrections did not happen in 1948, David has not been resurrected yet,
the Messiah has not returned yet.

He will return, raising Israel from death, and placing them back in their land,
we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, an exceedingly great army, Ezekiel 37:9-10,
and we will reign for 1000 years, then Gog and Magog will try to attack
but will be put down by the final fire.

[WilliamL]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:04 PM, abcdef said:

At this present time there is no hard evidence either way that the Ezek 38-39 war has taken place.

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Your statement that it was not possible to have taken place in the past is speculation on your part, again without proof.

So you really think that the Jews were saved by God, sometime after the days of Ezekiel, in a miracle so great that it equals or exceeds any miracle found in the Bible -- and the Jews forgot about it?? (If I was a Jew, I would be extremely insulted.) Such an idea is pure fantasy.

Oh, and all the nations also forgot, and never recorded it?  --

Ezekiel 39:21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.

On 2/26/2022 at 7:04 PM, abcdef said:

But you cannot explain the use of primitive weapons for a future battle.

The use of the primitive weapons shows that it is past.

Already have explained this many times. Your second sentence derives from tunnel vision.

 

[truth7t7]

On 2/26/2022 at 5:56 PM, abcdef said:

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Please expand on your statement that the Ezek 38-39 battle takes place during the time of the 7th vial/bowl.

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It appears that you are implying that the battle of Armageddon takes place with bows and arrows, sticks and stones, and swords as weapons.

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If it is future from us, how is that possible?

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It isn't a future battle, Ezekiel 39 was a battle fought long ago 

[truth7t7]

On 2/28/2022 at 2:59 PM, WilliamL said:

So you really think that the Jews were saved by God, sometime after the days of Ezekiel, in a miracle so great that it equals or exceeds any miracle found in the Bible -- and the Jews forgot about it?? (If I was a Jew, I would be extremely insulted.) Such an idea is pure fantasy.

Oh, and all the nations also forgot, and never recorded it?  --

Ezekiel 39:21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.

Already have explained this many times. Your second sentence derives from tunnel vision.

 

Ezekiel 39 was a battle fought long ago, wooden shields,  bows, arrows, and spears, are weapons of the historical past, catch up to the 21st century reality

Edited March 2, 2022 by truth7t7

[WilliamL]

On 3/2/2022 at 2:23 AM, truth7t7 said:

Ezekiel 39 was a battle fought long ago, wooden shields,  bows, arrows, and spears, are weapons of the historical past, catch up to the 21st century reality

Catch up to biblical reality. After the Flood of Noah, mankind had to start over from scratch. The ancients had some major technologies that were lost, some for all time.

Same thing will take place in the End Times, which, as Jesus told us, will be "like the days of Noah" in their destructiveness. By the time all the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and initial Bowls will have done completed their destruction, men will indeed be reduced to fighting with "wooden shields,  bows, arrows, and spears."