Why Have Conservatives Been Unable To Stop The Liberal Revolution That Threatens Their Culture?

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

The term "radical centrist" is an oxymoron.  Radical doesn't mean there there are so few of you.  

A radical is someone advocating complete political or social change; representing or supporting an extreme or progressive section of a political party.

Classic mainstream dogma all.

In the end times, centrism is radical.

You're not a centrist.

[JimmyB]

11 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Classic mainstream dogma all.

In the end times, centrism is radical.

You're not a centrist.

"Centrism is radical" is an oxymoron.  If you are in the center you are not on the fringe.  Obvious!

[WilliamL]

8 hours ago, JimmyB said:

If you are in the center you are not on the fringe.  Obvious!

Agreed.

8 hours ago, JimmyB said:

"Centrism is radical" is an oxymoron.

Wrong. Not when most people are on fringes on every side.

The center is the place of unity. How much unity are you seeing in this polarized world?? Unity requires agape, which, at the end of this age, is in very short supply. As it has been at the ends of previous ages.

Satan, on the other hand, loves polarization, loves divisions, loves and foments disagreements, loves puffing up people with pride.

[JimmyB]

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Agreed.

Wrong. Not when most people are on fringes on every side.

The center is the place of unity. How much unity are you seeing in this polarized world?? Unity requires agape, which, at the end of this age, is in very short supply. As it has been at the ends of previous ages.

Satan, on the other hand, loves polarization, loves divisions, loves and foments disagreements, loves puffing up people with pride.

By definition, it is impossible for most people to be on the fringes.  The fringes are the very edges, which excludes most people.

[choir loft]

On 7/27/2023 at 7:03 PM, Willa said:

We need to remember the spiritual battle.  

 2Co 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 1Jo 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 1Jo 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The truth is that evil spirits control our world and its governments. 

 Rev 12:10

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

Rev 12:11

“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

 Rev 12:12

“Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

There isn't a spiritual battle because Christians didn't come to fight.

They just simply gave up.

Lots of reasons why, but they simply did.

Being over spiritual and quoting scripture as though it was a magic incantation won't solve the problem either.   Never has.  Never will.

If good men refuse to stand up the evil will always win.   So it has won this day.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

[choir loft]

On 7/28/2023 at 5:18 PM, WilliamL said:

Agreed.

Wrong. Not when most people are on fringes on every side.

The center is the place of unity. How much unity are you seeing in this polarized world?? Unity requires agape, which, at the end of this age, is in very short supply. As it has been at the ends of previous ages.

Satan, on the other hand, loves polarization, loves divisions, loves and foments disagreements, loves puffing up people with pride.

That's not altogether true .... about the opposer that is.

Jesus said that He came to bring division - division between a man and his family, between those who followed Him and those who did not and between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of the World.

The chief FALSE doctrine promoted these days is CONTENTMENT. 

Our Lord doesn't want contented sheep.  He wants warriors who are willing to go out into the world and lock horns with its evil and with that which evil has twisted.

Preachers are stupid enough to preach contentment AND THEN two weeks later wonder why their congregation is so apathetic.  

We are WAY BEYOND the Laodicean church these days.  We are seeing a dead one.  We are watching the vultures pick at its bones and we are watching the worldly minded as they laugh at the spectacle.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited July 31, 2023 by choir loft

[WilliamL]

On 7/29/2023 at 8:03 AM, JimmyB said:

By definition, it is impossible for most people to be on the fringes.  The fringes are the very edges, which excludes most people.

By your definition, this world's definition. Not by God's definition. 

Isaiah 24:5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.

These things always take place when God brings judgement, which is soon at hand. Those at the fringes are those who reject God's laws, pursuing all their multifarious different -isms. While those the world considers radicals are the ones whom the Spirit gathers and will gather together in a centralized unity. 

You claim that the fringes of reality "excludes most people," which is precisely opposite to what the Word teaches.

[JimmyB]

55 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

By your definition, this world's definition. Not by God's definition. 

Isaiah 24:5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.

These things always take place when God brings judgement, which is soon at hand. Those at the fringes are those who reject God's laws, pursuing all their multifarious different -isms. While those the world considers radicals are the ones whom the Spirit gathers and will gather together in a centralized unity. 

You claim that the fringes of reality "excludes most people," which is precisely opposite to what the Word teaches.

I disagree with what you wrote and stand by what I wrote: By definition, it is impossible for most people to be on the fringes.  The fringes are the very edges, which excludes most people.

Saying that those at the fringes are those who reject God's laws is meaningless (unless the majority of the world's people are Christians).  And you contradict yourself in the very next sentence.

Your out-of-context quote has nothing to do with either the OP subject or the distribution of people "under the curve".

Here is the Scripture you cited in context:

"The earth dries up and withers,
    the world languishes and withers,
    the heavens languish with the earth.
The earth is defiled by its people;
    they have disobeyed the laws,
violated the statutes
    and broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
    its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
    and very few are left." Isaiah 24:4-6

a) The earth has not dried up and withered.

b) The people of Isaiah's time violated God's laws and broke the Old Covenant.

c) The earth’s inhabitants are not burned up,  and many are left.  Obviously what Isaiah wrote is figurative, since most people then and now have not burned up.

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by JimmyB

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, choir loft said:

On 7/28/2023 at 3:18 PM, WilliamL said:

Satan, on the other hand, loves polarization, loves divisions, loves and foments disagreements, loves puffing up people with pride.

That's not altogether true .... about the opposer that is.

Jesus said that He came to bring division - division between a man and his family, between those who followed Him and those who did not and between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of the World.

Big difference between causing division and loving division. Jesus caused division by His teaching and His very existence, but taught unity. Whereas Satan has willfully fomented division and disunity from the beginning.

2 hours ago, choir loft said:

We are WAY BEYOND the Laodicean church these days.  We are seeing a dead one.  

Rev. 3:1 ... you have a name that you live, and are dead.

[WilliamL]

37 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

By definition, it is impossible for most people to be on the fringes.  The fringes are the very edges, which excludes most people.

I guess you claim to be The Definer of Terms. 

A charged van de Graff generator causes most of the electrons to be on the outer fringes, with hardly any in the center.

A comparable principle applies when populations become hypercharged and hyperpolarized, which they are now in nations all over the world. If most of these nations' people are centrist according to your definition, why all the chaos and factionalism?