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13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And the only way to hear is with ears. 

It is ok.  I did read the post and this one too. Everyone seems to be able to see us 'without' a body for some things,  whereas I am not able to.  I even see those in hades with spiritual bodies.  Anyway, I am signing off for the evening.  Have a good night and God bless you always 

They are in the Spirit form this is their spiritual body, not an earthly one.

Jesus said to the disciples when they saw him walking on the sea and they thought he was a ghost.

This is it, they thought they saw Jesus in his Spirit, out of his body. He was not a loose Spirit he was in his Spirit form which lives in the body and leaves the body when man dies his physical death. 

The man dies but his Spirit leaves forever. 

Some people are calling the Spirit man "soul".

In the scriptures God call it the Spirits of men  because they are without their earthly bodies. 

In their spiritual form, the way Jesus was before "he put on flesh".

He was not in the flesh before, he was in the Spiritual Form or spiritual body, not an earthly body like Adam. 

After the resurrection the disciples saw Jesus and he told them it is me. I am not a gost, in his Spirit.  The way everyone is without his earthly body. 

 

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20 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

What is the question? 

I think it started out as "First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?"

It's 'rank' or position. First in importance, is the way I read it. Primary works for me as well. 

Now it seems to be "Are we resurrected immediately upon death?" 

No. 


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6 hours ago, Diaste said:

I think it started out as "First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?"

It's 'rank' or position. First in importance, is the way I read it. Primary works for me as well. 

Now it seems to be "Are we resurrected immediately upon death?" 

No. 

"Are we" it includes a context. Please clarify who are the "Are we". Without prejudice.  

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On 4/15/2022 at 3:48 AM, Diaste said:

I think it started out as "First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?"

It's 'rank' or position. First in importance, is the way I read it. Primary works for me as well. 

Now it seems to be "Are we resurrected immediately upon death?" 

No. 

This is an important question, and ispecifically is asking

"Are we resurrected immediately upon death?"

You are borned from above, because you have believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins, and you know it, and you can tell to yourself and others that you are born from above.

They are others who are born from above because of what they believe about Jesus but they do not understand that they are born from above, but that does not change the fact that Jesus knows it and to him they are born from above. 

Not anyone who is born from above when he dies will ever  go to the place of the dead in the underworld, in the place where the people were going after they died at the time of Jesus Christ.  

So the "are We" resurrected immediately upon death?" It represents the born from above. 

And your answer is "No". 

Are you referring to the resurection of the physical body?  

Because the phycical body is earthly and it will eventually decay and it will become one with the dust of the earth. 

The body decays, if it is not burned or dissolve by acid or something else happened to it. We can watch it decaying if we set to do so. It can never be brought back to life.

This is the last of it. 

When we read that Jesus Christ died and raised from the dead. We also read that this happened within the narrow window of the three days, not through the complete circle of the three days which is 72 hours.

Jesus Christ from his death to his resurrection is a lot less than the complete circle of the three days or 72 hours. 

Jesus did not died at the beginning of the first hour of the 72 hour circle. 

He died twelve hours into the 72 hours circle.

Which began at 6:00 am. 

And he was raised from the dead at the beginning of the third day of the 72 hour circle. 

What happened to Jesus Christ can never happen to anyone else, it is a firm never. 

No anyone who is born from above when he dies will ever  go to the place of the dead in the underworld, in the place where the people were going after they died at the time of Jesus Christ.  

Anyone who is born from above spiritually is one with Jesus Christ because he has partake of his Spirit, the Spirit of adoption as the child of God.  

He is not dead to God, he is alive to God and at the time of his death he is not going to the Place of the dead where Jesus Christ went at the time of his death and was raised from there from the place of the dead. 

We are in the Life and when our physical body dies we are still in the Life, and we have to go where the living are to be together with the one who is the Father of the Life and this is Jesus Christ and he is not in the place of the dead and he is not on earth or any other place as he was witness while he was ascending in Heaven.

And Stephen had witness the ascention of Jesus Christ and at the time just before his death Stephen saw a vision he saw in his vision where Jesus went and where he was. Stephen saw Jesus Christ sitting on the right of God and in the Throne of God. 

God saw Stephen where Jesus Christ was so Stephen knew where he was going at the time of his death.

Stephen at the time of his death was gathered to Jesus Christ in Heaven while his dead body lay under the stones who were used to kill him. Stephen went there without his physical body but we cannot say that he is the way he was at the time he left his physical body.

When he left his physical he did not change besides being without his physical body, no he did not change that time. 

This is how he went to Jesus in Heaven. 

This is the specific question that he did not change from the way he was imediatly after he died.

Because many born from above die and they are brought back to life.

They came back to their body, to continue to live their earthly life.

If they had changed imediatly how could that be possible.  


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12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is an important question, and ispecifically is asking

"Are we resurrected immediately upon death?"

You are borned from above, because you have believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins, and you know it, and you can tell to yourself and others that you are born from above.

They are others who are born from above because of what they believe about Jesus but they do not understand that they are born from above, but that does not change the fact that Jesus knows it and to him they are born from above. 

Not anyone who is born from above when he dies will ever  go to the place of the dead in the underworld, in the place where the people were going after they died at the time of Jesus Christ.  

So the "are We" resurrected immediately upon death?" It represents the born from above. 

And your answer is "No". 

Are you referring to the resurection of the physical body?  

Because the phycical body is earthly and it will eventually decay and it will become one with the dust of the earth. 

The body decays, if it is not burned or dissolve by acid or something else happened to it. We can watch it decaying if we set to do so. It can never be brought back to life.

This is the last of it. 

When we read that Jesus Christ died and raised from the dead. We also read that this happened within the narrow window of the three days, not through the complete circle of the three days which is 72 hours.

Jesus Christ from his death to his resurrection is a lot less than the complete circle of the three days or 72 hours. 

Jesus did not died at the beginning of the first hour of the 72 hour circle. 

He died twelve hours into the 72 hours circle.

Which began at 6:00 am. 

And he was raised from the dead at the beginning of the third day of the 72 hour circle. 

What happened to Jesus Christ can never happen to anyone else, it is a firm never. 

No anyone who is born from above when he dies will ever  go to the place of the dead in the underworld, in the place where the people were going after they died at the time of Jesus Christ.  

Anyone who is born from above spiritually is one with Jesus Christ because he has partake of his Spirit, the Spirit of adoption as the child of God.  

He is not dead to God, he is alive to God and at the time of his death he is not going to the Place of the dead where Jesus Christ went at the time of his death and was raised from there from the place of the dead. 

We are in the Life and when our physical body dies we are still in the Life, and we have to go where the living are to be together with the one who is the Father of the Life and this is Jesus Christ and he is not in the place of the dead and he is not on earth or any other place as he was witness while he was ascending in Heaven.

And Stephen had witness the ascention of Jesus Christ and at the time just before his death Stephen saw a vision he saw in his vision where Jesus went and where he was. Stephen saw Jesus Christ sitting on the right of God and in the Throne of God. 

God saw Stephen where Jesus Christ was so Stephen knew where he was going at the time of his death.

Stephen at the time of his death was gathered to Jesus Christ in Heaven while his dead body lay under the stones who were used to kill him. Stephen went there without his physical body but we cannot say that he is the way he was at the time he left his physical body.

When he left his physical he did not change besides being without his physical body, no he did not change that time. 

This is how he went to Jesus in Heaven. 

This is the specific question that he did not change from the way he was imediatly after he died.

Because many born from above die and they are brought back to life.

They came back to their body, to continue to live their earthly life.

If they had changed imediatly how could that be possible.  

It's not my question. I'm convinced about the little I'm sure of concerning the resurrection, both 1st and 2nd. Any other details can be found if one is so inclined. I suppose I'm not concerned about the details as I'm sure of the promise of the resurrection. 

I was just pointing out that I haven't read anywhere in scripture about two bodies, one physical and one spiritual, and immediate resurrection upon death.

What I read is the dead physical body is quickened and resurrected when the time comes. 


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On 4/12/2022 at 7:22 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

We start with the resurrection and with Jesus, and we take it from there. 

Do you want to say something about to what Jesus said when he spoke about himself and said: I am the resurrection. 

The disciples were there and they heard it more than ones.

And that's what they preached without any doubt. 

Let's start with that, one thing at the time....stay with Jesus. 

Hi...sorry I have been extremely busy and have not got back to you...There are two aspects of Jesus and the resurrection...

One is the spiritual resurrection that happens when we are born again...there are scriptures pertaining to this like:

1) He has translated us into the kingdom of his dear son..

2) And you hath he quickened who were dead in sins and trespasses...

These point to something that takes place in our hearts...the resurrection at the last day is something that happens to our bodies...

They both point to life from the dead, but one is pertaining to the heart, and the other to the body....

Blessings to you-


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16 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is the specific question that he did not change from the way he was imediatly after he died.

Because many born from above die and they are brought back to life.

They came back to their body, to continue to live their earthly life.

If they had changed imediatly how could that be possible. 



These are just personal beliefs, but I believe it is because God knows who will be used to show His GLORY.  I believe the verses just above the ones we are speaking to,  show this to be the case.  I do agree it isn't written every time a 'person' is brought back to life,  but I believe anyone who reads what Christ tells us HERE, can take this knowledge to understand what is going on for those who's 'body' raise back to life 'in this body'.  I believe these also are for POWER and GLORY of God to be seen,  and only demonstrations because of Heb 9:27.  When we read the words of God are purified 7 times, I believe that to be truth.  



John 11:2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

John 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, He said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

John 11:6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

John 11:7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

John 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

John 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

John 11:11 These things said He: and after that He saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

John 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

John 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

John 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

 

 

John 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.



And many STILL won't/don't to this day.  

And JESUS WEPT.

 

John 11:32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.

John 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.

John 11:35 Jesus wept.

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

John 11:37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

John 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her,
Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest Me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that Thou hast sent Me.


 


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13 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Hi...sorry I have been extremely busy and have not got back to you...There are two aspects of Jesus and the resurrection...

One is the spiritual resurrection that happens when we are born again...there are scriptures pertaining to this like:

1) He has translated us into the kingdom of his dear son..

2) And you hath he quickened who were dead in sins and trespasses...

These point to something that takes place in our hearts...the resurrection at the last day is something that happens to our bodies...

They both point to life from the dead, but one is pertaining to the heart, and the other to the body....

Blessings to you-

Greetings to you, @transmogrified there is something interesting in your post and you gave good scriptures and it seems tht you are connecting. 


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On 3/31/2022 at 11:49 AM, DeighAnn said:

First resurrection.  Does it take place just once?  or many times?  Is it of the just and the unjust or do they have separate times and places.  

 

A future One time resurrection of all, the righteous are blessed to be in the "First" resurrection to eternal life

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


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5 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

A future One time resurrection of all, the righteous are blessed to be in the "First" resurrection to eternal life

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

When you asked yourself "Who was Jesus talking to,  and when was it,  and what happened right after,  and what else did He say and what was taking place?"


And you went back and did a real study on it and found out HE was speaking to the very last people who knew anyone who died under the law of sin and death,

and it was taking place RIGHT BEFORE before His crucifixion and resurrection, and the New Covenant was coming into being while the old one was being put away,  and to ACCOMPLISH that He preached to all those who had died under the law and were in their graves, and when you continued on deeper into that study,  you found out the graves were opened and EVEN that many of those saints appeared to others

HOW DID THAT EFFECT WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU WERE GIVEN THAT INFORMATION from the words of God?

Or had you become so sure in what you thought you knew that your mind closed off  to the SPIRIT OF TRUTH and instead CHOSE to remain in ignorance so you could be comfortable with your present beliefs or did you instead drop to your knees and pray God would give you even more insight and wisdom to KNOW HIS TRUTH like I did?  I am guessing the former by your reply.  

How is it,

THE DEAD, in the graves who heard and rose out of the graves  (2000 years ago)

got to go to heaven BUT 

those who were living and would hear and would believe,  would never die

ARE BEING PLACED BACK  into the same graves those under the law ROSE UP OUT OF?  

 YOU 'DIDN'T' BELIEVEST JESUS WHEN HE SAID NEVER DIE, as you said they are   AWAITING A FUTURE RESURRECTION

or

You do you have them 'bodyless',  (even though GOD GIVES EVERY SEED A BODY) and coming back for rot, decomp and the typically anaerobic splitting of proteins by bacteria and fungi with the formation of foul-smelling incompletely oxidized products to be RAISED IN GLORY? 


Or maybe I mis understood what point you were making


 

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