The Gog/Magog War Ezekiel 38-39

[George]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

When do you believe this will happen?

When do you believe the Tribulation will happen? Do you believe that Israel will sign a peace treaty with the AC? (that's my opinion ,and then the 7 years will happen.

Do you believe those 3 wars are connected?

Yes this I believe is the beginning of building of the Temple.  Also the massive genocide of the Arabs.

But rumors from the east and from the north will alarm and disturb him, and he will set out with great fury to destroy and to annihilate many.
Daniel 11:44 AMP

I saw one of his heads which seemed to have a fatal wound, but his fatal wound was healed; and the entire earth followed after the beast in amazement. They fell down and worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; they also worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like (as great as) the beast, and who is able to wage war against him?”
Revelation 13:3‭-‬4 AMP

It's the fake resurrection that gives him gives him the authority to wage war.

He will pitch his palatial tents between the seas and the glorious Holy Mountain (Zion); yet he will come to his end with no one to help him [in his final battle with God].
Daniel 11:45 AMP

Is this referring to building the Temple?

 

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, George said:

Honestly, the Bible talks about when the A/C comes on the scenes and it says this in Daniel 11 ...

Dan 11:31  Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate. 

Dan 11:32  He shall seduce with flattery those who violate the covenant, but the people who know their God shall stand firm and take action. 

Dan 11:33  And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder. 

Dan 11:34  When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery, 

Dan 11:35  and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time. 

I'm simply stating what the Text says in comparison to what it says in Matthew 24.

Mat 24:15  “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 

Be blessed!

The period of time I am inquiring and relating to is the unknown length of time between the Rapture and the official start of the seven-year Tribulation. There has to be a period of time in between to deal with the global chaos, the man with the plan to organize, take charge, and confirm the covenant. 

My question remains, what occurs in this transitional period between events? Are the seal judgments confined to inside the Tribulation?

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Apparently, there is a global scourge, you cannot make a covenant with plague, famine, and disease. I liken this scourge to the inquisitions and crusades, war, and persecution. This is one reason I believe Israel signs this agreement, and they are not deceived and know it is wrong, but have no other choice. I see this scourge starting outside of the seven-year Tribulation. 

Therefore, those killed between these two milestones of the Rapture and seven-year Tribulation, outside the age of Grace. What is their status, not having glorified bodies but impatiently asking how long Lord. I am proposing the possibility as I see it, as those under the altar are given white robes, and to wait until their brothers (Tribulation saints) martyrs are complete. 

What say, you George?

[George]

This is what the Jews are anticipating...

A great king will arise and rule the world, and his spirit will be proud over all kings, and he will stir up wars on two sides, and he will vanquish them. And on the day on which the star appears, the Holy Land will tremble to [a distance of] forty-five miles around the place in which stood the Temple. And a cave will be revealed under the earth, and from that cave a mighty fire will come forth to consume the world. And from that cave a great supernal branch [or bird] will spread which will rule the whole world. And to it will be given the kingship, and the supernal saints will gather around it. Then will be revealed King Messiah in the whole world, and to him will kingship be given. And in the hour in which he will be revealed the children of the world will be in the midst of one calamity after another, and the enemies of Israel will wax strong. And then the spirit of the Messiah will be stirred up against them, and he will destroy sinful Edom and burn the whole Land of Seir with fire. . . . And at that time the Holy One, blessed be He, will raise up the dead of His people and death will be forgotten by them. . . . (Zohar 3:212b)

[George]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

There has to be a period of time in between to deal with the global chaos, the man with the plan to organize, take charge, and confirm the covenant. 

Do you know what is 'hegelian dialectic'?  This is how I believe the AC will create the circumstances with which you refer.  

It's through the Arab war I'm referring.  Notice the borders of the Gog Magog war... It's the ancient borders given to Abraham.  Specifically, where is Egypt in Gog / Magog?  What happened to them?  The answer is in Daniel 11.

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, George said:

Honestly, I'm in a separate camp than everyone ... and I'll simply keep praying through, I see the errors in all the theological positions, and I believe this is probably happening differently than EVERYONE anticipates!

You bet cha! Most likely there will be more twists and turns than on the road I live on. No one saw the Abraham Accords coming as a partial success, the specific countries that signed on and who are considering it (in fear of a nuclear Iran). The enemy of my enemy is my friend. How it pertains to the bystanders and those questioning the Gog invasion of Israel (Sheba-Dedan). 

[Dennis1209]

2 minutes ago, George said:

Have you hegelian dialectic?  This is how I believe the AC will create the circumstances with which you refer.  

It's through the Arab war I'm referring.  Notice the borders of the Gog Magog war... It's the ancient borders given to Abraham.  Specifically, where is Egypt in Gog / Magog?  What happened to them?  The answer is in Daniel 11.

What about the ancient and current enemies, the inner circle of nations, and terrorist groups on the borders of Israel. None of them are mentioned with Magog. They want nothing more than to drive Israel into the sea and remember her no more? Those involved in 1948, 1967, and 1973, where are they at during the Gog-Magog invasion?

Possible solution: Psalm 83, getting rid of the hostile nations, the 100,000+ missiles and smart weapons pointed directly at them. Expanding and annexing more land as they always do after a victory over aggressors. 

Would an expansion of territory give them a lot more breathing room? Making them feel safe and secure, without walls, bars, and gates? Just another thought.

 

[Selah7]

19 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Therefore, those killed between these two milestones of the Rapture and seven-year Tribulation, outside the age of Grace. What is their status, not having glorified bodies but impatiently asking how long Lord. I am proposing the possibility as I see it, as those under the altar are given white robes, and to wait until their brothers (Tribulation saints) martyrs are complete. 

I’d say these souls (Saints/Elect) have gone through the First Resurrection and are in immortal bodies waiting until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

[Selah7]

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[Dennis1209]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

I’d say these souls (Saints/Elect) have gone through the First Resurrection and are in immortal bodies waiting until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Could very well be?

[angels4u]

10 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

You bet cha! Most likely there will be more twists and turns than on the road I live on. No one saw the Abraham Accords coming as a partial success, the specific countries that signed on and who are considering it (in fear of a nuclear Iran). The enemy of my enemy is my friend. How it pertains to the bystanders and those questioning the Gog invasion of Israel (Sheba-Dedan). 

I never believed God is pleased with the Abraham Accords as He want them to look to Him instead of Muslim  countries ,we know the one world religions will be in Dubai ,all so unpleasant to the Lord, judgement is coming. ..