Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[George]

4 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

God has been doing mighty works before Jesus. The whale swallowing up Noah, then spewing him out was such a one to the men of Nineveh.

Swallowed up Jonah ... and yes they repented in Nineveh.   

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, George said:

Swallowed up Jonah ... and yes they repented in Nineveh.   

So, I am still not convinced this isn't God's choices in the matter is all.

[George]

29 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

So, I am still not convinced this isn't God's choices in the matter is all.

So reading the story of Jonah ... God condemns them ... send them a Prophet ... they repent ... and God changes His mind.   So basically God chose them to condemnation ... and THEIR FREE WILL CHOICE caused God to change His mind.  

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, George said:

So reading the story of Jonah ... God condemns them ... send them a Prophet ... they repent ... and God changes His mind.   So basically God chose them to condemnation ... and THEIR FREE WILL CHOICE caused God to change His mind.  

Yeah, sends them a prophet spewed out of a whale.

[Anne2]

3 hours ago, angels4u said:

I have absolutely nothing against Calvinist and have friends who are, the name just always reminds me of tulips ( flowers) I absolutely don't want to offend people,it's just the name ..

I am still grappling with it. And I don't understand the importance of the issue . I am probably missing something there as well.

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

Maybe this will help:

 

Let's say from Adam until now there have been 11 Billion people who were born, lived, died, still living.

 

Let's say of those 11 billion people, only 3 Billion believed and followed the God of Abraham from Isaac's Lineage [not Ishmael].

 

One View claims Jesus died for all 11 Billion people and 8 Billion rejected Him by Choice of free will.

A second View claims Jesus only died for 3 Billion people and God created the other 8 Billion to be fuel for the Eternal Lake of Fire.

 

The real question that remains, which View sounds more like the God of Abraham, Our God?

 

I am tending to the choice of free will option.

Although I am finding out on this forum the example above is not accurate of the original doctrine of predestination.

But I also cannot escape this.

17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18  Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? {repliest … : or, answerest again, or, disputest with God? }
21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: {fitted: or, made up }
23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 

[Anne2]

12 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

Remember a couple of things here.

 

When we see God hardened the heart of someone, we also read where the people believed in the God of the Hebrew People.   So one person was used so a bunch of people would be able to be saved.   It was not just Hebrew People who left Egypt, it was many Nations and they CHOSE to follow God.

 

 

God uses things people intend for bad to the good. This is true. The same issue was played out with Joseph and his brethren. God used his brothers bad to the good.

But the specific issue of predestination is what about Pharaoh?

He raised him up for that very purpose.

Edited April 22, 2022 by Anne2

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Heaven_Bound said:

If you study the position of what a Pharaoh is, they were seen as a god/deity.   So it was the perfect example for God to conquer, someone seen as a god.   God wanted to show He was the God of gods.   And in those days, Pharaoh, was the perfect example to do that.   

 

And honestly, Pharaoh believed he was a god.   So he was [[never]] going to bow himself to Yahweh.

 I am not trying to be difficult, or argue here :-) but.....

Being true or not, he still raised him up for that very purpose. 

Another question here, this story is much similar to Joseph and his brethren right?

[George]

Just cleaned some if this thread. 

I deleted a handful of posts.

[JohnR7]

16 hours ago, angels4u said:

This is a prophecy that is yet to come in the last seven years of this age, also known as the 70th week of Daniel. 

Yes there is a lot of talk about that. I have done the math two or three times. It could be there is a 7 year period between day two and day three. It is interesting that the asteroid comes around every 7 years and seems to line up with everything. I just wonder about counties like the Ukraine. How much worse could it be for them then what it is right now. Tribulation maybe isolated but there is already plenty of tribulation in this world. Maybe this is a sign of what is to come on a bigger scale.