Different peoples, Different covenants, Different deaths, will NEVER fit into an 'either/or' explanation

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, AdHoc said:

v.26 does nor says that Satan is the LAST enemy. He is on earth raising up an army 1,000 years after Jesus has COME. There is another enemy still exercising POWER - Magog. And when BOTH Satan and Magog are defeated there is still another ENEMY EXERCISING POWER - DEATH. This enemy is only over come when -- don't hold your breath - HADES gives up HER DEAD. No talk of spiritual bodies. No talk of "pearly gates" and streets of gold. HADES! The place of the SOULS of dead men CAPTIVE until Jesus - Holder of the KEYS TO HADES - inserts and turns the KEYS (Rev.1:18)!

YES, those who are DEAD/NOT SAVED/UNBELIEVERS who are not a part of the resurrection of the just an unjust DO NOT RISE UNTIL THE END OF THE LORDS DAY, AFTER 'the dead' who did rise stand in judgment.  

BUT those who did BELIEVE/WERE SAVED/MADE ALIVE/WASHED CLEAN did RISE when Christ descended for the 3 days and THOSE who were held captive LEFT HADES to go be where HE was.  At His Fathers right hand in heaven.  And they returned in the armies with Him.  

[AdHoc]

On 5/11/2022 at 12:29 AM, DeighAnn said:

So the graves opened, SOME of the dead were seen and they went back DOWN having been 'saved'?  That makes no sense to me.

Did I really say that?

 

On 5/11/2022 at 12:29 AM, DeighAnn said:

WHEN HE ASCENDED....HE LED,  but are you instead proposing THE Captivity remained captive WHERE THEY WERE, but THEIR CAPTOR changed?  Wouldn't that make the place He went FOR those who would follow after to be with Him where He was not heaven, but hell? 

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

The scripture does not say "Captives". It says "Captivity". And using Luke 4:17-20 won't help. The Jubilee was for LIVING. The dead are not mentioned.

 

On 5/11/2022 at 12:29 AM, DeighAnn said:

AND I agree, what you are saying would be truth, IF,  that was ALL that was written on the subject.  But there are so many verses, AKA 'A little here and a little there...' in which HIS TRUTHS are brought to light that when combined together,  THE SPIRIT of those WORDS OF GOD, (and not the very 'letter' of them each independently) is what is being spoken.  THAT is why we must be careful, or else that kind of conclusion would be made and then 'a doctrine' given to try and back it up as truth.  So we can't disregard all we are told in relation to this specific subject,

things like

1736. endémeó ►
Strong's Concordance
endémeó: to be in one's own country, to be at home
Original Word: ἐνδημέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: endémeó
Phonetic Spelling: (en-day-meh'-o)
Definition: to be in one's own country, to be at home
Usage: I am at home, live in a place.

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Read the grammar. The issue of this passage is not a revelation of a new body with the old one left behind. It reveals a reconstruction of the old. It origin is not the womb - but heaven. It Maker is the Holy Spirit, making it spiritual - not spirit. And it is mortality changed to immortality. Your theory leaves  the natural body forever in mortality. And this is supported by every case ot resurrection - especially that of our Lord Jesus. He still had the wounds from the cross and the Body was MISSING from the tomb. Wnd well you have said; we must join all scriptures on the subject together. Look at Philippians 3:20-21;

It is clearly OUR VILE BODY that is CHANGED! And WHEN??? When our Savior appears from heaven - NOT, as you say, at the death of the saint!

On 5/11/2022 at 12:29 AM, DeighAnn said:

WHAT MAKES Christians DIFFERENT in that they don't become a part of 'the DEAD' waiting for Christs return to FINALLY be resurrected

Then 1st Corinthians 15:23 is mistaken and we can discard the Bible as a myth.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I think that not much more can be said. But I thank you for the exchange.

[Cntrysner]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

All that are in the body of Christ are firstfruits and the harvest will occur at the moment of death then afterward the alive and remaining.

[AdHoc]

On 5/11/2022 at 1:52 AM, DeighAnn said:

BUT those who did BELIEVE/WERE SAVED/MADE ALIVE/WASHED CLEAN did RISE when Christ descended for the 3 days and THOSE who were held captive LEFT HADES to go be where HE was.  At His Fathers right hand in heaven.  And they returned in the armies with Him.

What do you think I should do? You say the above, and scripture says;

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

This was said ten days AFTER Christ's ascension, and 50 days after His resurrection. So consider this:

v. 29 affirms that David is dead. You say he is alive

v. 29 affirms David is buried in a sepulcher. You have him in another body in haven

v. 30 affirms that David knew Who Christ was and his writings, the Psalms, attest to this. This makes him a believer

v. 34 affirms that although Jesus is ascended and seated at the right hand of the Father, David has NOT ascended

v. 36 affirms that Christ will first subdue enemies while HE (Jesus) sits at the right hand of God and DAVID is NOT ascended.

My esteemed sister, in every point you make, you come to a conclusion that varies from scripture. Please reconsider. I'll let scripture tell you when David will rise. It is after the last Christian has been taken from the Gentiles. Acts 15:13-16 says;

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 AFTER THIS I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

David is only resurrected when Israel is restored to One Nation in their Land. Jeremiah 30;

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

"Jacob's trouble" is the Great Tribulation at the end of this age. "After the tribulation of those days ..." Christ bursts out of the clouds and sends His angels to collect those scattered to the "four winds" (Matthew 24). Daniel 12 confirms this. Verse 1 gives the time - the Great Tribulation, and verse 2 says that when it is over Daniel's People will be raised from the dust. No spiritual bodies languishing in heaven, but a scattered and chastened people from all Nations and the dust of the earth.

[AdHoc]

4 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

All that are in the body of Christ are firstfruits and the harvest will occur at the moment of death then afterward the alive and remaining.

Then you have a problem. Scripture says;

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The order here given is:

1. The Lord COMES (v.16)
2. The dead RISE. If they were already harvested they would DESCEND
3. The dead rise FIRST, but only when te Lord COMES
4. Those alive and remaining are caught UP TOGETHER with the dead. That means that the dead ROSE from below the ground to the surface where the LIVING "remained".

I think you will have to reconsider.

[Cntrysner]

23 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then you have a problem. Scripture says;

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

No confusion for the scripture says,

 

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Those that died believing in Christ are those that come with Christ at His return, they did not wait in the ground for His return.

The following scripture does not say those that died in Christ rise when he returns. It clarifies that those dead in Christ rise first with no reference to when the dead in Christ rise but that they will rise first, then those alive and remain will join them in the clouds at His return.

1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

23 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The order here given is:

1. The Lord COMES (v.16)
2. The dead RISE. If they were already harvested they would DESCEND
3. The dead rise FIRST, but only when te Lord COMES
4. Those alive and remaining are caught UP TOGETHER with the dead. That means that the dead ROSE from below the ground to the surface where the LIVING "remained".

You are out of order.

The colon represents a strong disjunctive pause from what is previously said in a sentence and brings attention to the main point that was earlier stated.

The main point is -   1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

It is clear that the dead in Christ rise first and they will descend with Christ at His return.

[DeighAnn]

On 5/12/2022 at 2:10 AM, AdHoc said:

It reveals a reconstruction of the old.

I am thinking you will need to discuss this with God, as what is written doesn't seem to be getting through.  We sow NOT that which will be, but a SEED,  and God gives it a body and every seed has a body.  WHY you want death and decomp and decay and dust from the earth to be resurrected, I will never understand.  

AGAIN, take a SEED from a PLANT,  bury it,  and wait, and  a new plant will grow, but take a DEAD PLANT, bury it, and you will wait forever for a new plant to grow. 



1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers  19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot  20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you  21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.  24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away  25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 

BORN AGAIN, when do you think that INCORRUPTIBLE seed is planted?  

 

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in Him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

(AND THE GRAVES WERE OPENED AND MANY SEEN)


2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation




Would these men still be ALIVE but STURCK in their DEAD BODIES,  in the grave,  and THINKING and feeling these things as they slowly decompose?  Or are their dead flesh bodies being taken to heaven?

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day  20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores  21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried  23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom  24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame  25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented  26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.




1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 

Is the image of the heavenly made up of 'reconstructed dead and decomposed earthly flesh' then, in your opinion?


1  Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

But the spiritual body that is RAISED IS ACTUALLY THE NATURAL BODY?  

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

If the SPIRITUAL body is just a REMAKE of the natural one HOW CAN THIS BE WRITTEN in this manner?  How can this be truth?  ARE there OR are there NOT 2 bodies? 


My next question is, How ARE THOSE WHO NEVER DIE RAISED UP AS 'THE DEAD'?

How is God the God of the living if they are DEAD IN THE GRAVE UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS?  Or are they LIVING IN a DEAD body in the grave?
 

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

• Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
  
   
• Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
  
  
  God is NOT the God of the dead, but of the living.

 Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.



John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

(OLD COVENANT -  WERE 'DEAD' UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH -  BUT WHEN HE DESCENDED AND PREACHED THE GOOD NEWS THE GRAVES WERE OPENED AND THOSE WHO BELIEVED ON HIM - ASCENDED WHEN HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE)

 

John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

(NEW COVENANT - THOSE WHO 'ARE MADE ALIVE' THROUGH BELIEF IN HIM BEFORE THEIR NATURAL BODY DIES, AND THEY IN THEIR SPIRITUAL BODIES  RISE, BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES NEVER DIE)


PETER would be ONE WHO while he 'liveth' believed in Jesus, so we KNOW HE NEVER DIED.  So what happened to him?  What did Christ tell him?  

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me NOW; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards.

CHRIST is going to be with the FATHER in heaven.  IT IS TRUTH, He will be RETURNING but RETURNING is NOT where He is going. 
So  ANYONE who says or tries to say or teach or put forth or try to make another believe  'it is WHEN HE RETURNS' as being spoken of,  are teaching FALSELY and sowing confusion.   


John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow Thee now? I will lay down my life for Thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Jesus is NOT SPEAKING about His return to the earth as the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS.  The WHOLE conversation is about what is SOON about to take place, WHERE HE WILL BE GOING, and WHERE THEY WILL BE FOLLOWING HIM TO, NOT now but AFTERWARDS.  AND their NATURAL BODIES DIED, AND THEIR SPIRITUAL BODIES FOLLOWED AFTER HIM.  

I understand you want them to WAIT until He returns BUT that IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN.

I understand you want the NATURAL body to be resurrected and not the SPIRITUAL BODY to rise BUT that is NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN. 

I understand you want them to be 'dead' for 2000 years until He returns and to be raised up when the 'dead rise',  but that isn't WHAT IS WRITTEN.  



DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT ABIDE IN THE FLESH THAT IS GOING THROUGH DECAY AND CORRUPTION?  OR IS THIS NEXT VERSE NOT GIVING US TRUTH?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Grammar takes a back seat to 'the spirit of truth',  every time, for me at least.

 

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

No confusion for the scripture says,

 

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Those that died believing in Christ are those that come with Christ at His return, they did not wait in the ground for His return.

The following scripture does not say those that died in Christ rise when he returns. It clarifies that those dead in Christ rise first with no reference to when the dead in Christ rise but that they will rise first, then those alive and remain will join them in the clouds at His return.

1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

You are out of order.

The colon represents a strong disjunctive pause from what is previously said in a sentence and brings attention to the main point that was earlier stated.

The main point is -   1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

It is clear that the dead in Christ rise first and they will descend with Christ at His return.

HOW/WHY would those who 'NEVER DIE' ever be referred to as 'the dead'?  Would they?  Could they? 

And if THEY aren't 'the dead', then who are?  These questions started me asking many more questions about 'the resurrection of the just and the unjust' (they apparently didn't go to heaven at death of the flesh) and what happens to all those who took the mark of the beast and who is it we rule and reign over for 1000 years if all who took the mark die and ALL the alive and remaining are changed?  and if it is 'the dead' who do stand in judgment BEFORE death and hell and the sea deliver up their dead, then they must have been resurrected PREVIOUS to THAT time.  


In Adam we all die,  but for those who have been made alive,  while they yet lived, and they never die, that death would only be of the natural body and not the 'new creature', born again of incorruptible seed,  who are already 'risen' with Him,  at least as far as I can tell.    Anyway, at one time I 100% agreed with you yet now it is for the most part that I do,  but prayerfully will be 100 percent again. 

[DeighAnn]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:39 AM, AdHoc said:

What do you think I should do? You say the above, and scripture says;

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

This was said ten days AFTER Christ's ascension, and 50 days after His resurrection. So consider this:

v. 29 affirms that David is dead. You say he is alive

v. 29 affirms David is buried in a sepulcher. You have him in another body in haven

v. 30 affirms that David knew Who Christ was and his writings, the Psalms, attest to this. This makes him a believer

v. 34 affirms that although Jesus is ascended and seated at the right hand of the Father, David has NOT ascended

v. 36 affirms that Christ will first subdue enemies while HE (Jesus) sits at the right hand of God and DAVID is NOT ascended.

My esteemed sister, in every point you make, you come to a conclusion that varies from scripture. Please reconsider. I'll let scripture tell you when David will rise. It is after the last Christian has been taken from the Gentiles. Acts 15:13-16 says;

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 AFTER THIS I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

David is only resurrected when Israel is restored to One Nation in their Land. Jeremiah 30;

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

"Jacob's trouble" is the Great Tribulation at the end of this age. "After the tribulation of those days ..." Christ bursts out of the clouds and sends His angels to collect those scattered to the "four winds" (Matthew 24). Daniel 12 confirms this. Verse 1 gives the time - the Great Tribulation, and verse 2 says that when it is over Daniel's People will be raised from the dust. No spiritual bodies languishing in heaven, but a scattered and chastened people from all Nations and the dust of the earth.

What is being said?  Of course, again, must back up so we can SEE by following PRECEPT ON PRECEPT verse by verse.....to MAKE SURE we are not changing what is written to FIT US, but finding Him through what is written.  

 

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

 

Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

Acts 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,


NEITHER wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

 

Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

DAVIDS flesh NATURAL body is still in the grave to this day.  It is decomposing and going back to dust.  EVERY SINGLE natural body that has ever been is STILL IN THE grave or ashes or dust to this day.  BUT DAVIDS SPIRITUAL BODY HAS GONE ON TO BE WITH THE LORD IN HEAVEN AND WILL RETURN WHEN CHRIST DOES.  

NO ONE ELSE WILL EVER RISE AS CHRIST DID.  NO ONE.  

THERE IS ONLY ONE FLESH natural BODY THAT HAS EVER RISEN from the dead OR EVER WILL and that is our LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRISTS.

That is the only BODY made from the dust of the ground that will ever RISE FROM THE DUST.  ALL THE REST OF US will rise in OUR SPIRITUAL BODIES, LEAVING OUR NATURAL BODIES TO GO BACK TO DUST. 

WE have 2 bodies.  ONE will see corruption, the other will rise and RECEIVE ETERNAL liFe or rise and find itself in the LOF,  the place we are to fear because both the body and soul can be killed there, but only by GOD.  

 

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

WHERE WILL HIS KINGDOM BE?  ON EARTH

Acts 2:31 He seeing this BEFORE spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

DAVID SPOKE THIS BEFORE HE DIED, proving himself a prophet, NOT PROVING HE HASN'T YET ASCENDED, as you say it says.

Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

YOU stated

v. 36 affirms that Christ will first subdue enemies while HE (Jesus) sits at the right hand of God and DAVID is NOT ascended.

HOW DOES THIS AFFIRM THAT DAVID IS NOT YET ASCENDED?  AND JESUS doesn't make His enemies his footstool, THE LORD does that.  

 

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on My right hand,

Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.


1 Corinthians 15:27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, Which did put all things under Him.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 

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1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

HOW/WHY would those who 'NEVER DIE' ever be referred to as 'the dead'?  Would they?  Could they? 

We died in Christ when we accepted His substitutional death for our sins yet we live in Him and will never die. I believe there will be a resurrection of the flesh but they will be judged according to their works. There is a higher calling that is not of this earth (resurrected flesh) but is risen with Christ to the right hand of the Father (celestial).