Catholicism vs Christianity

[Alive]

I tend to stay out of these discussions.

I suggest folks study a variety of sources of church history, as there is much to learn. What happened and why in the second and third century is not complicated.

As to the canon, that we nearly all accept…it was accepted by the Church through the saints before the formal assembly of this canon.

Why and how? Because the truths and vitality of the word was witnessed to by the experience of the saints by the Holy Spirit.

The truths were a reality as the letters and gospels circulated for years. The witness of the Spirit ensured this.

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, Anne2 said:

We have all done it. It is the way of Western Culture. I know I have been effected greatly by it.

It was the time we needed that, but then as the time goes by we come to realize that this guy is treating others as if were blind or deprived of their own mind...enough is enough...

We begin to see Jesus more often and beyond the pastor or the institution or whatever that is.

[Marathoner]

54 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

There are Orthodox that rejected that council. Broadbrushing the Original Catholic Church distorts these things. Catholic applies to them all, as does Orthodoxy. Not all the councils apply to all of them. That is why I listed only Two essentials.

In all fairness, the title of this topic doesn't indicate a thorough examination of the head-swimming array of Orthodox schisms, their councils, and the simple fact that "Orthodox" is shorthand driven by necessity.

There are Eastern Catholic churches... there are different liturgical rites... so in the interest of keeping posts topically relevant and preventing them from being a handy means for readers to fall asleep, I refrain from droning on and on. 

Yes, I'm aware that Orthodox organizations are not frozen in time, sister. Many have parted ways (are no longer in communion) over the centuries which is why I'm left with little choice but use that shorthand. 

But this topic primarily refers to Roman Catholicism, so "Catholic" in this topic = The Vatican and The Roman Catholic Church which is ostensibly overseen by the Holy See.

Catholics in the United States, for example, don't always see eye to eye with the Holy See. Some Catholics reject the veneration of Mary; some don't buy into the doctrine of transubstantiation, either. If we were to make allowances for every exception under the sun, our flesh shall return to the dust before everything is said and done!

So here we are in the General discussion forum carrying on a general discussion. Historical Roman Catholic traditions and doctrines are a big subject in this thread. I disagree regarding painting with broad brushes. My argument is a simple one:

Most RCC traditions have no basis in the scriptural record. The same can also be said regarding many common Orthodox traditions. 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Marathoner

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Yes I edited my post, to say that. I just quoted the bible speaking of the traditions the apostles taught which Catholics claim. This is scripture. 

It was the time that the pastor began to speak more and more about Jesus coming to set up an earthly kingdom which is unbiblican. 

And I said nothing, I did not say Amen...and after carefully reading what happened to Jesus and the people who wanted to make him their earthly King...and when Jesus perceived their thinking he said to his disciples "let's get away from them"...and that what I said to the Pastor, reminding what Jesus said to his disciples and I left...he wouldn't listen. 

[Anne2]

12 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

But this topic primarily refers to Roman Catholicism, so "Catholic" in this topic = The Vatican and The Roman Catholic Church which is ostensibly overseen by the Holy See.

Then it should be made clear that is the case. However, when what is Catholic is brought into ill repute, based upon what is Roman, is false witness. I am sure none here desire that.

They all have their liturgy, and the eucharistic assembly. Not all teach transubstantiation, celibacy, Icons or statues. etc. And the real presence is not just Catholic, Roman or otherwise. It is also among protestant assemblies. So have a beef with Rome? Have at it. Be Just in your claims.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

The so many teachings taken out of the book of revelation are they Apostolic? 

Are they not mix and stretch with the imagination of the beholder...no matter what someone say he will find followers. 

So much so, that some refuse that we are Judge for what we do now while we live and we are rewarded in this life by our Lord, if not why call him our Lord and our Shepherd. 

At the least the Catholic church has been spare from that...I think so...no sure how to call it...

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Starise]

35 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

And that's what the Catholics do.

Yes only they weren't taught the correct traditions. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Anne2]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

Yes only they weren't taught the correct traditions. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Oh? and where did protestants get theirs? 

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, Starise said:

Yes only they weren't taught the correct traditions. BIG DIFFERENCE.

They cannot be lost...

The have their errors like some others do...

But I do not know if you will agree or not with the scriptures that say nothing can take us away from Jesus Christ, nothing can snatch us out of him...

Do you thing their traditions can disqualified them from the righteousness of Jesus Christ which is imputed upon everyone who believes in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God.

[Starise]

2 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Oh? and where did protestants get theirs? 

I am not plotting protestants against others. Whoever follows the Bible is a Bible follower. 

That seems over simplified because it is. It's the only pre requisite for those who follow the right traditions 

What are these traditions? We should look more at that context.