Catholicism vs Christianity

[Heleadethme]

53 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Profiling and stereotyping and shorting out the contributor before we look in the contribution can result in prejudice or allowing personal preferences interfere with judgment. 

That's what you are assuming. 

It's also true that knowing someone's background is often helpful in understanding what they are saying.  But if you don't want to answer any questions being put to you, that is your perogative of course, and nobody is trying to force you.

[Your closest friendnt]

22 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

That's what you are assuming. 

It's also true that knowing someone's background is often helpful in understanding what they are saying.  But if you don't want to answer any questions being put to you, that is your perogative of course, and nobody is trying to force you.

You have misunderstood the point I made...this is how people are led in the path of their own assumptions, by profiling and stereotyping the contributor...instant of paying attention to what he is trying to convey, they want to profile him and fit him in some group then they erroneously believe that he represents the group they have stereotyping him with...

They do not discuss the issues independent from stereotyping. They need to profile someone and they end up talking with the person they have manufacture in their minds.

The questions they asked are meant to help them in their stereotyping..

You can asked me any questions about the subject at hand.

One of them is : are protestants who believe that for someone to be saved from his sins, he needs to die without any sin, or he needs to have all his sins forgiven before he dies.

And what Jesus Christ will do if this not the case. 

What he is going to do with the who dies with unforgiven sins. Or with not all his sins having been forgiven before he dies. 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

3 hours ago, Sower said:

We all love catholics. We disagree with what they are taught.

Amen. 

And it is troubling to have others assuming and accusing the posters in this thread of harbouring prejudices against individual Catholics and assuming we would approach  individual Catholics with a nasty attitude.  It's interesting, because the truth is probably  more likely to be the other way around, in my experience anyway, sadly.

I fully understand, and that is why I always preface the start of a discussion on the RCC that, 1st, I love all catholics, my mom and siblings, and most of my relatives and many friends are catholic, and they are still unable to shake off the tentacles of their holy mother church. Why would I not have a vengeance against catholic false doctrine.
It is the hierarchic dogma, that changes every hundred years or so  to suit the reigning popo that I war against, and not the flock. I have troubling concern towards anyone defending RCC anti biblical truth. But I love them, because I was there, once upon a time.

I really enjoyed your cool post, Heleadethme...

[Heleadethme]

31 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You have misunderstood the point I made...this is how people are led in the path of their own assumptions, by profiling and stereotyping the contributor...instant of paying attention to what he is trying to convey, they want to profile him and fit him in some group then they erroneously believe that he represents the group they have stereotyping him with...

They do not discuss the issues independent from stereotyping. They need to profile someone and they end up talking with the person they have manufacture in their minds.

The questions they asked are meant to help them in their stereotyping..

You can asked me any questions about the subject at hand.

One of them is : are protestants who believe that for someone to be saved from his sins, he needs to die without any sin, or he needs to have all his sins forgiven before he dies.

And what Jesus Christ will do if this not the case. 

What he is going to do with the who dies with unforgiven sins. Or with not all his sins having been forgiven before he dies. 

Well, all I know is I've been watching people being pre-judged with assumptions apparently just for the fact of participating in this thread.  There are things being strangely turned upside down here.

And nobody is saying that everything Catholics believe is wrong.  I think of Catholicism as a  mixture of truth and lies sitting on a man-made foundation.

[Heleadethme]

10 minutes ago, Sower said:

I fully understand, and that is why I always preface the start of a discussion on the RCC that, 1st, I love all catholics, my mom and siblings, and most of my relatives and many friends are catholic, and they are still unable to shake off the tentacles of their holy mother church. Why would I not have a vengeance against catholic false doctrine.
It is the hierarchic dogma, that changes every hundred years or so  to suit the reigning popo that I war against, and not the flock. I have troubling concern towards anyone defending RCC anti biblical truth. But I love them, because I was there, once upon a time.

I really enjoyed your cool post, Heleadethme...

Amen.  Me too.  I was raised in Catholicism but never heard the gospel preached there....salvation by faith, the need to be born again, Jesus dying to atone for our sins, etc.  Sadly just a deadness in the Catholic churches I've been in.  Most are not born again, their belief is just a mental belief, it isn't the faith of Christ that is not of our own.....they are lost souls, and many are antagonistic against the true gospel that is apart from their religion.  Yes, much of the doctrine and practices....as well as the institution itself is false, not to mention corrupt.  Well, it has always been about "whosoever will" and I'm sad for those Catholics I know and only desire that they would know Christ for real.

[Your closest friendnt]

23 minutes ago, Sower said:

I fully understand, and that is why I always preface the start of a discussion on the RCC that, 1st, I love all catholics, my mom and siblings, and most of my relatives and many friends are catholic, and they are still unable to shake off the tentacles of their holy mother church. Why would I not have a vengeance against catholic false doctrine.
It is the hierarchic dogma, that changes every hundred years or so  to suit the reigning popo that I war against, and not the flock.

I have troubling concern towards anyone defending RCC anti biblical truth.

But I love them, because I was there, once upon a time.

I really enjoyed your cool post, Heleadethme...

This is just a bold statement, is it a statement because of your experience when you are discussing the error of the RCC, with catholics as the catholics in your surroundings or with the members of this forum.

If it one or the other you should disclose the particular so we can evaluate your claim, in case you have misconstrue someone's else statements. 

Do you see your Catholic  family as lost in ....or lost on the Catholic teachings.

Have you asked them why they baptized their children in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 

Before I make another question.

Do they believe that Jesus is the Christ of God, that he is the Christ of God...the Messiah. 

[Sower]

34 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen.  Me too.  I was raised in Catholicism but never heard the gospel preached there....salvation by faith, the need to be born again, Jesus dying to atone for our sins, etc.  Sadly just a deadness in the Catholic churches I've been in.  Most are not born again, their belief is just a mental belief, it isn't the faith of Christ that is not of our own.....they are lost souls, and many are antagonistic against the true gospel that is apart from their religion.  Yes, much of the doctrine and practices....as well as the institution itself is false, not to mention corrupt.  Well, it has always been about "whosoever will" and I'm sad for those Catholics I know and only desire that they would know Christ for real.

If you don't mind my asking, from a fellow escapee, how did you come to know about the amazing grace of the gospel. Did you drift away from discontent, or did a faithful Christian sow a seed into your soil?

My wife and I 40+ yrs ago were at a baptist funeral for our next door neighbor's 13 yr old son when the pastor giving the parting prayer said little Jimmy was in heaven because he was saved, a child of God. And anyone who expects to go to heaven needs to be saved, born again. The seed was sown! Matured, and blossomed.
I heard His voice!

 

 

[Starise]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Do some protestants hold the belief that the sins of a believer in Jesus Christ can be counted against him after he dies.

The Bible teaches all saved men will be judged for all things done in the body, both good and bad. This judgement will not determine salvation since we are already saved. The lost will stand in a separate judgement. 

Some men will be saved "as by fire".They did little or nothing however they are still saved. Others will receive great rewards.

Responsibilities, rewards and positions in heaven will be determined by this judgement.Some men will judge angels.

A lost man cannot be prayed into heaven after he dies. Neither can a saved man be taken from God's hand.

The question then is, what are we doing with that was given to us? 

Remember the parable of the talents. One man hid the only talent he had.Another man invested and multiplied what was given to him.The Lord was displeased with the man who hid his only talent.

The fields are white for the harvest. It is the evil ones who want us to think we don't have a chance to aid in bringing the word to the lost and to reap a great harvest of souls.

 

[Heleadethme]

15 hours ago, Sower said:

If you don't mind my asking, from a fellow escapee, how did you come to know about the amazing grace of the gospel. Did you drift away from discontent, or did a faithful Christian sow a seed into your soil?

My wife and I 40+ yrs ago were at a baptist funeral for our next door neighbor's 13 yr old son when the pastor giving the parting prayer said little Jimmy was in heaven because he was saved, a child of God. And anyone who expects to go to heaven needs to be saved, born again. The seed was sown! Matured, and blossomed.
I heard His voice!

 

 

By the time I was in my late teens my family was only attending Mass on special occasions, which suited me fine and I didn't bother with it at all once I finished high school.  But in my late twenties the Lord out of the blue gave me a desire to go to church one day at Easter time, didn't know why I had that desire, I thought it was strange because I was agnostic at the time.  And I had a definite 'instinct' not to go to a Catholic church knowing there was nothing real there for me...so I called up an uncle and aunt of mine who were born again believers and had witnessed to me and asked if I could accompany them to their church (happened to be Brethren in Christ).  It happened that they were holding a gospel preaching 'crusade' that Easter season, and long story short, the Lord got hold of me and revealed Himself and the gospel in a miraculous way and put me in the path of righteousness.  Hardly stopped crying with joy for a solid week, I was so happy there was a God after all, and that I knew Him.  I did leave that church after a while though because they were cessationist and I knew that what God had done in me was a series of miracles including deliverance from nicotine addiction, and that He still does miracles today according to His word, however, was so grateful to be saved and to know Jesus!

"Let us therefore go to Him OUTSIDE THE CAMP, BEARING HIS REPROACH" seems to be kind of a theme with me for many years.  I have nowhere to lay my head, so to speak, no where on this earth to call home spiritually.  Like Abraham, seeking the city that is above.   The Lord led me out of the churches and called me to "come out of her" and more recently has shown me that His will for His church (people) is the simplicity of Christ, which I keep trumpeting now and then like a broken record.    That necessitates firstly a change of heart, because religious-ness comes from the flesh and mind of man......all the usual stuff....ambition, control, seeking to establish our own righteousness instead of submitting to the righteousness of Christ, outward appearances of things, etc.

The scriptures say "except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain."  He only builds on His own foundation of Christ....which includes His simplicity.  How did Jesus do things when He was on earth?  He SIMPLY went around doing good and preaching the good news with SIGNS ACCOMPANYING.......no special robes, no special rituals, no special titles, no special building, etc., just real life with the Holy Spirit.  "Wherever two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst."  So simple...and all the various parts/ members of the body of Christ simply functioning in their gifts, as the Lord leads.  "When you come together, every one of you hath......." whatever spiritual gift the Lord gives to each one and leads us to share.   He is only Head of His church when He is leading it by His Spirit.  Not the way man-made churches do things with men usurping the Headship of Christ.  There is to be no schism in the Body...no division between so called clergy and so called laity.... all just have different gifts that's all.

Better stop there, I'm going on a bit long.

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Heleadethme

[Heleadethme]

14 hours ago, Starise said:

The Bible teaches all saved men will be judged for all things done in the body, both good and bad. This judgement will not determine salvation since we are already saved. The lost will stand in a separate judgement. 

Some men will be saved "as by fire".They did little or nothing however they are still saved. Others will receive great rewards.

Responsibilities, rewards and positions in heaven will be determined by this judgement.Some men will judge angels.

A lost man cannot be prayed into heaven after he dies. Neither can a saved man be taken from God's hand.

The question then is, what are we doing with that was given to us? 

Remember the parable of the talents. One man hid the only talent he had.Another man invested and multiplied what was given to him.The Lord was displeased with the man who hid his only talent.

The fields are white for the harvest. It is the evil ones who want us to think we don't have a chance to aid in bringing the word to the lost and to reap a great harvest of souls.

 

Yes....the parable of the talents where the Lord warns that even the little someone has could be taken away from them.  I have a sense from scripture that salvation is not something we're to take for granted.  We aren't to just sit around relaxing on our laurels.  We're told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.  We're admonished to run the race so as to win it, and that those who strive for the mastery are not crowned except they run lawfully. There are those to whom Jesus will say, "Away from me you who practice lawlessness" even though they were doing works for God.  Fruitless tree being cut down, etc.  Lots of things in the word to spur us on and keep us from falling asleep at the wheel.