Adam- Gentile or Jew

[Your closest friendnt]

17 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

YES, an important part of the NEW COVENANT, spoken in the simplest of terms, "continues forgiveness"...  I appreciate the way you 'put together or make use of  words',  for lack of being able to express it myself.  

The infinite value of the precious blood of Christ.  The saving grace, that continues when we ourselves not found 'perfect' making it impossible to be held by death.  



 

If all the people could understand what you just said in the last paragraph, and the conclusion ...MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BE HELD BY DEATH...

This is all about it, a believer in Jesus Christ, should live his life without the fear of death...Jesus Christ is our peace with the Heavenly Father. 

The blood of Jesus Christ keeps death away...

The perfect Love of God to give us Jesus Christ his Son to die on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins, takes away all fear of death....not by our own might, but by his great love for us to give Jesus his Son...

Thank you 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

Wow.The Jews believe we are born into the world without a sinful nature. They didn't raise my kids.

Blessings Brother.... I can now better understand why it is so difficult to bring the Good News to a Jew..... No wonder they need those signs & wonders!

So I wonder what they are waiting for then- do they even think they are in need of the Messiah they anticipate?

In His Love,kwik

 

[Anne2]

On 5/26/2022 at 10:08 AM, Starise said:

Sarah was to give birth to the lineage of Christ. Hagar  was supposed to be plan B due to Sarah's lack of faith.

Where is this idea coming from? Scripture speaks of Sarah as a faithful woman. Certainly no less faithful than Abraham himself.

Abraham at first thought, it would be through his servant as well. Sarah did nothing any different than what Abraham understood God to intend.  Until God said a child from his own loins. Where was the lack of faith in Sarah or Abraham?

So Sarah gave her slave Hagar to have children through her, as her mistress.

Ex 21:2  If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3  If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. {by himself: Heb. with his body }
4  If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself.
 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Anne2

[Anne2]

16 hours ago, Starise said:

-To uphold a priestly responsibility through the Levites. EXCEPTION- The priests became corrupt.

So too the Judges, they all together had become corrupt

 

16 hours ago, Starise said:

They were the only ones given temple and sacrifice instructions.

Israelites were not priests. What do you mean uphold priestly responsibility? Israelites had a distinct inheritance from the priests.

The levites were given the priesthood, from which the people received the law.

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,).

16 hours ago, Starise said:

The priests became corrupt. Later on they added many rules which were never original to God's requirements and demanded the people observe all of it.

This is the third time scripture has been turned on its head. First the covenant made  with Abraham in Genesis 15,

The priestly class, and

now who added a bunch of stuff , was the sect of the Pharisees.

This saddens me, since the Judaic ideas presented thus far are IMO, why Jew's cannot see Christ.

Can't distinguish between Hagars Children, And Sarah's, Slave and free.

Can't distinguish between Priests and the people (post temple rabbinate), so confuse and confound the inheritances. And are still doing so today. 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Anne2

[angeleyesGBU]

6 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Brother.... I can now better understand why it is so difficult to bring the Good News to a Jew..... No wonder they need those signs & wonders!

Jesus said an evil generation (race, family, generation) desires a sign. He also appeal to His signs as evidence than He was the messiah sent by God. Many of those who saw the miracles, we not convinced and even sought to kill Him. As Jesus said in His story about the rich man as Lazarus, they would not believe even if someone returned from the dead!

What signs and wonders then, will convince people? Some people will be fooled in the future, and perhaps presently are, by false signs and false wonders. Tragic, but true.

[Starise]

On 5/28/2022 at 12:50 PM, Anne2 said:

Where is this idea coming from? Scripture speaks of Sarah as a faithful woman. Certainly no less faithful than Abraham himself.

Abraham at first thought, it would be through his servant as well. Sarah did nothing any different than what Abraham understood God to intend.  Until God said a child from his own loins. Where was the lack of faith in Sarah or Abraham?

So Sarah gave her slave Hagar to have children through her, as her mistress.

Ex 21:2  If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3  If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. {by himself: Heb. with his body }
4  If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself.
 

While this is a slight derail from the OT, I will do my best to answer this.

Earlier foundation for my answer can be found in Genesis chapter 18

The backdrop- Three 'men' showed up at Abraham's tent. It is pretty clear by the passage they probably weren't men, Yet another study.

In any case Abraham entertained these ' men' who had a prophetic word for him and Sarah. Sarah was to give birth to a son. At this time they were advanced in years. 

Here is an excerpt from chapter 18

Gen.18:10-15

10 Then one of them said, “I will return to you about this time next year, and your wife, Sarah, will have a son!”

Sarah was listening to this conversation from the tent. 11 Abraham and Sarah were both very old by this time, and Sarah was long past the age of having children. 12 So she laughed silently to herself and said, “How could a worn-out woman like me enjoy such pleasure, especially when my master—my husband—is also so old?”

13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh? Why did she say, ‘Can an old woman like me have a baby?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”

15 Sarah was afraid, so she denied it, saying, “I didn’t laugh.”

But the Lord said, “No, you did laugh.”

 

There is no indication  from the translations I read  this means anything other than what it says. SARAH would have a child.

I am not arguing what was accepted and customary. In the eyes of the customs of that time it wasn't necessarily what they did, The root problem is WHY they did it. This was all spurned on by Sarah herself.

Sarah had reached a place where she thought she needed to do something to make God's promise happen. She had determined she would not have a child, so she decided to do what she could to have a child through her servant.

In Gen 18 we see Sarah is already skeptical about the promise and in verse 15 she lied about laughing about the whole thing.

Sarah's attempt to move God's plan along resulted in many unnecessary problems.. This should be a lesson to us that we need to "let go and let God" when it comes to His promises.

[Starise]

On 5/28/2022 at 4:52 PM, Anne2 said:

Israelites were not priests. What do you mean uphold priestly responsibility? Israelites had a distinct inheritance from the priests.

The levites were given the priesthood, from which the people received the law.

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,).

I am simply saying the worship instructions came through the Israelites. If we didn't have Israelites we wouldn't have Levites. God didn't move on the Hittites or the Canaanites in this way.

On 5/28/2022 at 4:52 PM, Anne2 said:

This is the third time scripture has been turned on its head. First the covenant made  with Abraham in Genesis 15,

The priestly class, and

now who added a bunch of stuff , was the sect of the Pharisees.

This saddens me, since the Judaic ideas presented thus far are IMO, why Jew's cannot see Christ.

Can't distinguish between Hagars Children, And Sarah's, Slave and free.

Can't distinguish between Priests and the people (post temple rabbinate), so confuse and confound the inheritances. And are still doing so today. 

Priests were also corrupt. Not only the Levitical priests. Also the Pharisees.

The religious institutions were corrupt then and still are today. The entire institutions are corrupt. If you want to break it down we can do that.

I should have probably said those in religious and legal authority. That would have been more accurate.

Hagar's children are modern day Arabs.

 

[Bluedragon]

None of the above. There was no religion other than talking to God. There were no countries, only the Garden of Eden. Adam was too busy naming plants and animals and chasing Eve. 

But God had a plan to begin a nation and expand humanity. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Bluedragon

[Starise]

I believe Adam was 'chosen'. Him and Eve were the only ones. That sort of eliminates any other possibilities.

I believe God's plan changed with man's mistakes. God's ultimate plan would be fulfilled no matter what.

That plan- For men to be plentiful and dwell with Him on a personal level.

[BelieveThat]

On 5/26/2022 at 1:08 PM, Starise said:

Adam was the first man. The man all other men came from. Jesus was called the last Adam. Since Jesus was Jewish does this mean Adam was Jewish? If Adam was Jewish, then where do the Gentiles come from?

Thoughts?

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