Daniel 9:26, 27 explained through New Test verses? YES? or no

[Eternally Gratefull]

29 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

We will simple have to disagree but I will tell you that you are in the majority of Christians that also believe the way you do.... almost 2.3 BILLION.

Charlie

I am not worried about what the majority believe

I am concerned with what the word says.

You have been shown dan 9, what daniel was praying about what he prayed for, and what gabriels response was.

it does not matter if 99 % of the people believe it is christ, it does not make it fact..

 

 

[Eternally Gratefull]

27 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

There are two major sections in chapter 9 -the first section is Daniel's prayer for forgiveness for their disobedience that caused their 70 punishment in captivity in Babylon.

Then the rest of chapter 9 speaks of the coming Messiah and His requirements He must fulfill during the last week of Daniel's 70th week.

Once again, you are in the majority of Christians.... Charlie

again this is wrong

the first part you are correct

the second part is Gods answer to the first part.

Gabriel is saying the 6 things that will happen. will occure with his people. and to his holy city.

 

 

[Charlie744]

18 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

all it says is at the end of the 7 plus 62 weeks shall be messiah the prince. This occuired when he rode into jerusalem on the donkey as prophesied.

 

After that it says

1. He will be killed

2. The city and sanctuary will be destroyed

3. They will lay desolate until war desolations are determined (think what jesus said in matt 24. wars and rumers of ward. nation against nation kingdom against kingdom. but the end is not yet)

4. Then a prince will confirm a covenant for 1 week (here is the beginning of the 70th week.)

everything that happened inbetween is fill material. Jesus said, Now it willbe hidden from you.. Israel and that age had ended temporarily,

again, I can not agree. Gabriel said 1 week. The context is 70 week. we know from context it is week of years.

 

Before you start telling people how they have misinterpreted something. Maybe you should sit and make sure you are not doing that yourself. that is not helping our discussion..

I have done a study on the beasts of daniel..That does not mean I am going to say I would rather not show you how dan 9 fits because it is not done yet, and then say so many have misinterpreted it. That would make me appear proud..

 

 

I want to thank you for your responses but I do believe this is starting to take a left turn here and the discussion is moving away from one's interpretation versus another to where things are becoming personal and even anger because of the differences in interpretation.  I believe it is better if I read and not write..... Charlie

[Eternally Gratefull]

37 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I want to thank you for your responses but I do believe this is starting to take a left turn here and the discussion is moving away from one's interpretation versus another to where things are becoming personal and even anger because of the differences in interpretation.  I believe it is better if I read and not write..... Charlie

I was trying to discuss.

You were trying to convince my sister that I was wrong, and so many of us are wrong..

while I may be getting frustrated. I never get angry.

However, if your going to tell people that those who believe as I do are wrong and how we mistranslate a passage. You should be willing to discuss with us why we are so wrong..

 

 

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

I was trying to discuss.

You were trying to convince my sister that I was wrong, and so many of us are wrong..

while I may be getting frustrated. I never get angry.

However, if your going to tell people that those who believe as I do are wrong and how we mistranslate a passage. You should be willing to discuss with us why we are so wrong..

 

 

Sorry, you were starting to go beyond discussing... rather easily. I am simply offering my opinion and my interpretations of the exact same verses the you, myself and ALL the scholars, academics, theologians and everyone in this site... nothing different. And obviously, you are doing the same thing BUT it was you who was going left and it was you who said "wrong"... we may disagree with our interpretations but for whatever reason, you believed I was doing or responding differently than anyone on this site... no! 

I don't know who your sister is and I was not trying to tell her you were wrong... but I was offering my opinion on the verses in Daniel. I was not telling you or anyone they were or are wrong ... that came from your response only.  I am just as comfortable with my interpretation as you are with yours... but it is easy to see when someone does not enjoy someone else who may disagree with their thoughts... time to simply move on..... thanks again, Charlie

[Eternally Gratefull]

34 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Sorry, you were starting to go beyond discussing... rather easily. I am simply offering my opinion and my interpretations of the exact same verses the you, myself and ALL the scholars, academics, theologians and everyone in this site... nothing different. And obviously, you are doing the same thing BUT it was you who was going left and it was you who said "wrong"... we may disagree with our interpretations but for whatever reason, you believed I was doing or responding differently than anyone on this site... no! 

I don't know who your sister is and I was not trying to tell her you were wrong... but I was offering my opinion on the verses in Daniel. I was not telling you or anyone they were or are wrong ... that came from your response only.  I am just as comfortable with my interpretation as you are with yours... but it is easy to see when someone does not enjoy someone else who may disagree with their thoughts... time to simply move on..... thanks again, Charlie

You did not even look at the passages we have been giving. You did not look t daniels prayer. You did not look or want to discuss Gabriels own words about who the 70 weeks is for. 

You told me this is what it says. While I may have been wrong for saying you are wrong. Think about it. Its no different than you telling me I am wrong. Even if you did not use the word wrong.

Discussion is about passages.. 

 

as for my sister and what you told her, this is what you said

As you are well aware, these two verses along with verse 27 must be the most complicated and enigmatic verses in the  entire Scriptures - they not only are difficult, confusing but also (in my opinion) misinterpreted by more Christians than not... I would hazard a guess that perhaps 90% of Christians do not believe this speaks of the Messiah (Jesus) 

your basically saying that 90% of us do not believe the way you do. That we are in effect all WRONG

maybe if you just stick to what you believe, instead of the fluff and attacking people who disagree with you as being in error. Then we could have  discussion. 

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

I see it like this

 

The kingd are those who ruled over Israel, Take at as John righting these things are true at the time he wrote The words.

5 are fallen

Egypt. Enslaved israel for 400 years until the exodus

Assyria (overtook the northern kingdom of Israel)

Babylon, Media-peria and the Grecian empires have held rule since babylon destroyed the first temple

1 Is

Rome was in power at the time of Johns writing

1 is to come

this is the final form of rome,  

As for the 8th, this will be the future prince after he is overcome and controlled by satan himself (the son of perdition) 

Is there a chance this is written this way somewhere?

[Charlie744]

47 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

You did not even look at the passages we have been giving. You did not look t daniels prayer. You did not look or want to discuss Gabriels own words about who the 70 weeks is for. 

You told me this is what it says. While I may have been wrong for saying you are wrong. Think about it. Its no different than you telling me I am wrong. Even if you did not use the word wrong.

Discussion is about passages.. 

 

as for my sister and what you told her, this is what you said

As you are well aware, these two verses along with verse 27 must be the most complicated and enigmatic verses in the  entire Scriptures - they not only are difficult, confusing but also (in my opinion) misinterpreted by more Christians than not... I would hazard a guess that perhaps 90% of Christians do not believe this speaks of the Messiah (Jesus) 

your basically saying that 90% of us do not believe the way you do. That we are in effect all WRONG

maybe if you just stick to what you believe, instead of the fluff and attacking people who disagree with you as being in error. Then we could have  discussion. 

 

 

 

I was starting the response mentioning that I was well aware that DeighAnn knew the verses in Daniel as anyone - I was acknowledging her strong knowledge of Scripture.... nothing more.  Then I went onto to say "this verses, in my opinion, are the most difficult, confusing and misinterpreted verses" where maybe 90% of Christians do not believe they speak of the Messiah -How you could find fault and blame for those factual comments is well beyond me... essentially saying it is I who is the minority and I recognize that.... period. I never said the 90% are wrong, I said they are the majority and I am in the minority.... and I am entitled to study Daniel and come away with a different interpretation and present it within this site if I choose to discuss it... 

Don't have a clue what you mean by fluff, but there YOU go again beginning to get personal .... and I have not attacked anyone but it is YOU who throw the little darts and it is plain to see you do not like to be disagreed with or have someone that does not see the world the way you do.... 

I will not respond to any more of these posts from you... I would encourage you to continue offering your thoughts and interpretations and enjoy the many folks within this site who like DeighAnn have a true desire to learn more and more about God's Word....

God bless and best wishes, and as I mentioned earlier, I will look forward to reading everyone's thoughts and comments but I will keep my interpretations within my commentary and hopefully learn if these new interpretations might be interesting enough for others to consider.... God bless and best wishes always, Charlie

 

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

I was trying to discuss.

You were trying to convince my sister that I was wrong, and so many of us are wrong..

while I may be getting frustrated. I never get angry.

However, if your going to tell people that those who believe as I do are wrong and how we mistranslate a passage. You should be willing to discuss with us why we are so wrong..

 

 

I have showed him and others my blog of 5 years or so ago, I don't think they have the capacity to change "wrong think". I live for the Holy Spirit reproving my wrong assumptions, because I know in that case I have just been enlightened. Its a pride thing !!

Daniel’s 70 Weeks Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

 

1. Finish the transgression (Israel must return unto the Lord via Jesus' blood Amen.)

2. Make and end of sins (willful sins must end, sins of omission will remain)

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity (Israel must Atone for their past sins, which is why the 70 years become 490 years of Judgment)

4. Bring in everlasting righteousness (Jesus' Second Coming of course accomplishes this goal)

5. To seal up vision and prophecy (All Prophecy has to have be fulfilled before the 70th week can end)

6. Anoint the most Holy (Jesus Christ must be Anointed the King of kings and Lord of Lords and sit on David's throne)

 

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they have accepted him as the Lord of lords. Matt. 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10 13:8-9) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, willful sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no more willful sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the “time of Jacob’s trouble”, then “willful sins will end”.

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had willful sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mount Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Edited June 21, 2022 by Revelation Man

[truth7t7]

On 6/20/2022 at 7:09 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

it was not an age that ended in 70 AD.

 

It was a fulfillment of part of Dan 9. (and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary)

 

Titus and his armies raised the city. Afterwords. Josephus wrote about what he say. His words show it did not even look like a city had every been there before (not one stone was left)

Daniel's (Little Horn)

 

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

 

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

 

Daniel 7:8-11KJV

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

 

Merriam-Webster

Definition of consummation

 

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage

2: the ultimate end

 

Daniel 9:27KJV

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.