Much more expensive

[Starise]

8 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Don't get me wrong, brother. I'm certainly not opposed to electric vehicles by any means, but both @debrakay and @ayin jade express my own concerns about this matter. They would have to be very sturdy and durable to withstand rural life.

Having lived in rugged country inaccessible to most vehicles, nothing remains shiny for long. An afternoon drive down to Alamogordo involved traveling some rather unforgiving caliche pathways (can't really call those roads), and that alone will ruin a splendid automobile. It will also rattle your teeth and turn your head into a bobble-head ornament (oof). Hence why the best vehicle for rugged country is beat-up to begin with, and why you need to carefully maintain it unless you happen to have donkeys or mules on the side. I know some folks who did.  

Not horses, because caliche is murderous on their hooves. Horses don't do well in those places. Donkeys, however, don't care. They're actually pretty sweet as a general rule... mules are the ones who can be a pain. 

That's why I have several cars. Made a tubing run down the river with 7 other people. We all floated down, loaded the van, tied the tubes on top and navigated the small treacherous one lane river road home. They can laugh at me going down the highway in it all they want. When I need to move cargo or people I use it. I have always had at least one beater vehicle.

8 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Call me crazy, sister, but I prefer where we live to the Eastern seaboard and the West coast. I dunno... the land here just has more character. Plenty of it! Where else can you drive along on a road that seems to go on... and on... and on, with no end in sight? Plenty of those in Arizona! 

Nah you can have it.

There's a reason noone hangs out along those roads. High summer temps. Lack of water. Can't grow food.

You must not have seen much of the east coast because much of it is truly beautiful. 

I like our variety of seasons and mild temps compared to much of the US.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Starise

[Marathoner]

55 minutes ago, Starise said:

Nah you can have it.

There's a reason noone hangs out along those roads. High summer temps. Lack of water. Can't grow food.

You must not have seen much of the east coast because much of it is truly beautiful. 

I like our variety of seasons and mild temps compared to much of the US.

I've lived/traveled from Maine down to Florida, brother. I've seen quite a bit of it.   

You're quite right regarding sparse human population, for arid regions have the appearance of being harsh and unforgiving places. It seemed that way to me until I realized that generation after generation of Pueblo peoples called these places home, so there had to be something more than what meets the eye. 

There's plenty of water and food to be had if you know where to look.  

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

I've lived/traveled from Maine down to Florida, brother. I've seen quite a bit of it.   

You're quite right regarding sparse human population, for arid regions have the appearance of being harsh and unforgiving places. It seemed that way to me until I realized that generation after generation of Pueblo peoples called these places home, so there had to be something more than what meets the eye. 

There's plenty of water and food to be had if you know where to look.  

Fair enough. I can't claim to have been all over the world. Seems to me people get complacent with beautiful surroundings over time. People who live near Niagara Falls get used to it while others travel miles to see it. 

I would like to go out west ( probably will) to see some of that desert beauty. 

Living in the boonies has both blessings and curses. 

[Marathoner]

9 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Well, maybe there will be a program of subsidies! Soon, the guys will be coming door to door to ask me if I would like a Tesla installed on my roof at no cost!

"A car in every pot, and a chicken in every garage."

I think we can bet on some kind of subsidy to pave the way, brother. Some folks who live in the middle of nowhere (I was one myself!) will be highly resistant to change. That Tesla has to be able to cut the mustard in the boonies to stand a chance.

It doesn't matter if the car offers a shiatsu massage. Can it do what my F250 can do? 

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

I think we can bet on some kind of subsidy to pave the way, brother.

The sum total $6 trillion subsidy of the Covid thing is largely the cause of the current inflation. Cheap money means higher inflation. Free money is not free.

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

Some folks who live in the middle of nowhere (I was one myself!) will be highly resistant to change.

People who live in the middle of nowhere (like me) tend to be more adaptable to changes in the outer world, because they rely on it less than those who live in more populated areas.

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The sum total $6 trillion subsidy of the Covid thing is largely the cause of the current inflation. Cheap money means higher inflation. Free money is not free. People who live in the middle of nowhere (like me) tend to be more adaptable to changes in the outer world, because they rely on it less than those who live in more populated areas.

The price of our gas has caused many things to be more expensive such as groceries and restaurant foods. Anything to do with a company needing to pay more for their supplies because the huge truck that delivers their supplies is charging them more because of their gas prices. My garbage and recycling has recently gone up because of the increased gas prices for the huge trucks that take away the garbage and recycling. 

[missmuffet]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

That's why I have several cars. Made a tubing run down the river with 7 other people. We all floated down, loaded the van, tied the tubes on top and navigated the small treacherous one lane river road home. They can laugh at me going down the highway in it all they want. When I need to move cargo or people I use it. I have always had at least one beater vehicle.

Nah you can have it.

There's a reason noone hangs out along those roads. High summer temps. Lack of water. Can't grow food.

You must not have seen much of the east coast because much of it is truly beautiful. 

I like our variety of seasons and mild temps compared to much of the US.

I also like the seasons where I live on the West Coast. I would not like to live in a place that was always hot. Only one season. 

[WilliamL]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

The price of our gas has caused many things to be more expensive such as groceries and restaurant foods.

Certainly true, but even so this is not the primary cause of the current inflation.

During the Covid thing, millions of people were paid to not work, and were allowed to not pay their rents. The massive loss of productive labor from this, and lost rent from this, caused much of the current supply shortages, rent increases, and housing shortages. All inflationary.

[missmuffet]

4 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Certainly true, but even so this is not the primary cause of the current inflation.

During the Covid thing, millions of people were paid to not work, and were allowed to not pay their rents. The massive loss of productive labor from this, and lost rent from this, caused much of the current supply shortages, rent increases, and housing shortages. All inflationary.

Yes, Covid added to it but primary the gas prices has made it worse. 

Edited June 14, 2022 by missmuffet

[Marathoner]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

Fair enough. I can't claim to have been all over the world. Seems to me people get complacent with beautiful surroundings over time. People who live near Niagara Falls get used to it while others travel miles to see it. 

I would like to go out west ( probably will) to see some of that desert beauty. 

Living in the boonies has both blessings and curses. 

My connection to the desert and high desert is due to the work of the Lord rather than aesthetic sensibility or taste. That's where so much happened and because I was out there for so long, it became a part of who I am. While I was there the Lord taught me what that dominion He granted to us means, and how we ought to walk in that. 

These places are wide open, so I could stand on the peak of the mountain and watch thunderstorms hundreds of miles away. I could see Arizona from the proper vantage point and on the other side of that, I could see all the way to Texas. I could look down on the Pueblo and that city where I never wanted to go, which is where I am now. I would watch this city hours away from that world under the sky, asking the Lord to spare me from it. I preferred the solitude of the high desert more than any other place I've been.

So that's why I prefer places like that more than others. Besides, rattlesnakes are better neighbors than our fellow man often proves to be. At least we know where we stand with them.