Did Paul considered certain foods unclean?

[wordsower]

Concerning Noah:

Gen. 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

Col. 2:20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations-- 21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," 22 which all concern things which perish with the using--according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Health reasons? My great grandmother ate every creature that lived on her farm and lived to be 94! Everything in moderation.

[Guest shadow2b]

The Problem, Gary may well be that you simply didn't understand really the meaning of what I said. However, I will just leave it at that; you certainly like every one else do have a right to your own opinions. And that I will respect, and I will just leave it at that. There may well be alot of things that you don't understand or had not fully understood. Before we judge, we would do well to examine carefully. And not to just read over a post, and to give so little thought to what the writer is really trying to communiate to others. That is, if you intend to judge. That you may judge rightly.

I wish you well.

Shalom.

WeLLLLLLLLL NOW YHUDAH---------JUST to be sure I didNOT messUP on the understanding of EXactlY what you were stating I went back & read your post AGAIN!!!! I see NO problem understanding what you were posting-----possibly you could POINT OUT TO ME EXACTLY WHAT I WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING?? JUDGE??JUDGE?? I just can't seem to propose another view than the one presented without being deemed to be {JUDGING}------OR "IF" i ask questions on certain points, then I'M CONdemning, possibly WE should just agree to DISagree is presented as an alternative------Actually they just want me to go AWAY & let the poster get on with his Agenda or point of view that MUST be accepted withOUT any DIStractions or opposition to said views-------YA-KNOW--"IT" really puzzles me WHY these self appointed --professing teachers just canNOT seem to DEFend their position withOUT subtil sarcastic little jabs at my supposed intellectual deficiences they seem to immediately detect due to my inability to comprehend & /OR rejection of the theological proposition they want to be accepted.....ISN'T THIS AMA-ZING??.?? How bout you YHUDAH judge this statement??.?? I FIND it most puzzle--ing & INteresting that your style of writing & use of words to be ALMOST EXActly like another posters, ALMOST as if a book was being quoted word for word??.?? DO you think this is just CO-INKY-DINKY{coincidental??} OR is my understanding once again flawed & my observations just delusional??.??.??------

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[Guest Yhudah]

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[Guest shadow2b]

YEPPPpppppPP--just as I figgered--from "other" OBservations on other threads---THE Teachers just wiLLNOT

answer direct questions.... I find this ATTitude of superior knowledge just a mite DIStressing---- :alien: ---ESPecially since GOD'S WORD emphatically states to "HAVE AN ANSWER" for those that have the temerity to ASK Questions--INstead of being "LED" around with a ring in their nose & accepting just any ole doctrine ------

1/st.peter.3.vs.15---BUT sanctify the LORD GOD in your hearts;and be ready "ALWAYS" TO GIVE AN "answer"

TO EVERY MAN THAT ASKETH YOU A REASON OF THE HOPE THAT IS IN YOU WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR;------

"ANSWER"==in gr.627=apologia--from the same as 626;a plea["apology"};answer {for self}clearing of self,defence------------------ --BUT instead of an { answer} I get sarcasm--REFusals to "answer" honest Questions---AHhhhhh---WeLL----- --------GOD-BLESS-ALL-TRUTHSEEKERS--------{Gary}-- :upsided:

[angels4u]

Isn't this great that we can be here all brothers and sisters believing in a risen Savior and then to realize that our days here on earth are counted!!

JESUS IS SOON COMING BACK!!

I realize lately very much that its not always that important who is right in everything....of course we can't agree with false doctrine, but I do believe that if we love our brothers and sisters that this will cover many sins,

Jesus cares :il:

God Bless,Angels

[Guest Yhudah]

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[Guest yod]

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[Ovedya]

I think that there is a lack of communication here. From what I have read, it seems that Yhudah is saying that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are of no affect spiritually one way or another according to the new covenant established in the Lord's blood. He is only saying that they are more healthy.

We all know, and agree, that Christ is the end of the law to those that believe. This means that faith and grace has replaced the works of the law. Faith in Christ is the end of the law, meaning that it is no longer the works of the law that justifies but faith in Christ alone. Some may say, no, faith with works justifies. Well, it's right there in the Scriptures. I would say, yes, this is true. But no work of the law justifies. Only the works that come from a life of faith. Many believers have the faith/works thing reversed. Out of the works of the law no man is justified. This is because our justification in this age, the church age, which is the age of grace, is of grace and out of faith.

Now, as for the dietary laws being more healthy. I am not convinced 100% that this is true. Many Seventh Day Adventists practice strict dietary laws - even vegetarianism, and I would say that they are probably pretty healthy. But these do not necesarilly follow the Jewish dietary laws. I don't know if there have been any studies, but my opinion is that probably a typical Orthodox Jew is not any more or less healthy than a person who follows a normal diet of red meat, fish, vegetables, dairy, etc. And really, if you examine the orthodox practices, there is much ritual that has been done away with in the blood of Christ. So my concern would be, if these have been done away with, if they are of no avail either way, what is the need for a Messianic Jew to practice them?

[angels4u]

Hi Gary brother,

There must be an misunderstanding, knowing you a little I don't think you are out for trouble.

And Yhudah, nobody is atacking you.....we might not all believe the same as you do but that's all right. There are no special rooms in heaven for all the denominations, we might as well learn to get along here on earth.

God-man I do agree with you ,but I quess we should eat everything in moderation , I agree there is no law against eating meat.

But that pig thing that

Yod explained does not sound appetizing!!

Angels

[Guest shadow2b]

I think that there is a lack of communication here. From what I have read, it seems that Yhudah is saying that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are of no affect spiritually one way or another according to the new covenant established in the Lord's blood. He is only saying that they are more healthy.

We all know, and agree, that Christ is the end of the law to those that believe. This means that faith and grace has replaced the works of the law. Faith in Christ is the end of the law, meaning that it is no longer the works of the law that justifies but faith in Christ alone. Some may say, no, faith with works justifies. Well, it's right there in the Scriptures. I would say, yes, this is true. But no work of the law justifies. Only the works that come from a life of faith. Many believers have the faith/works thing reversed. Out of the works of the law no man is justified. This is because our justification in this age, the church age, which is the age of grace, is of grace and out of faith.

Now, as for the dietary laws being more healthy. I am not convinced 100% that this is true. Many Seventh Day Adventists practice strict dietary laws - even vegetarianism, and I would say that they are probably pretty healthy. But these do not necesarilly follow the Jewish dietary laws. I don't know if there have been any studies, but my opinion is that probably a typical Orthodox Jew is not any more or less healthy than a person who follows a normal diet of red meat, fish, vegetables, dairy, etc. And really, if you examine the orthodox practices, there is much ritual that has been done away with in the blood of Christ. So my concern would be, if these have been done away with, if they are of no avail either way, what is the need for a Messianic Jew to practice them?

thanks Gman---perhaps i did state the scripture a bit LOUDLY- but was not trying to pick a fight... just an explaination how the old covenant could just be improved on instead of finished completed, fulfilled as stated in heb.10.vs.9------ but my understanding was portrayed as just slightly lacking---perhaps i did take offense too quick but i just get kind-a-tired of those same old tactics being used if i simply quote a scripture &/or ask a question...very good gman i understood the dietary laws would not make a person more spiritual or justify the flesh{works} yeppPPpp-- faith in CHRIST alone justifies---that is what i was trying to get across ;we either have GRACE{FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE} OR law but not one foot in the law then the other foot in GRACE-

it's either or but not both------that's all---- Gman you are absolutely right on the diet thing, i just read/heard somewhere the other day that some university had done a study on vegetarian diets & found that those that observed a meatless [red-meat-] were weaker,didNOT live as long & their brain waves were not as active as those on a regular diet including eating of red meat..Crazy huh?? about every twenty years or so just about all the diet studies tend to change back to what the older folks said were better eating habits anyhow---

GOD-BLESS-ALL-TRUTHSEEKERS-----------------------------------{Gary}-- ----kiss--kiss--kiss-----