What was wrong with being under the law?

[Jayne]

15 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

Charlie, because the Bible says that a person who lives by the law must live ALL of it - I take that to mean what it says.  Obey them all if you are going to obey one.

Of course things like murder, rape, theft, and more are still sins today, but it's NOT because they are "in the Law".

There are a host of things that were sins long before the law that were also mentioned in the Law and are still sins today.  It's like God put into effect the moral nature of humanity with Adam and Eve.

I don't stay away from murder or stealing or lying because they are in the Law.  I stay away from them because they are unholy and were so from the beginning.

The law doesn't mention all sins.  Child abuse is not mentioned.  In my opinion, NOT because it isn't important, but because it's a given!  Pedophilia also isn't mentioned.

If we are going to "obey" the law because it is "the Law", we are going to leave out things.

 

[Jayne]

And by-the-by, I greatly believe in study of the entire Old Testament.  I love it.  Many Christians avoid it.  It's boring they say, it's  repetitive they say, it "doesn't apply to me" they say.....

I say that it is all God's Word and all to be read, studied, memorized in pieces, and meditated on.  There is a vast amount to learn in the Old Testament.

[Hopefully]

We are not saved by the law, but by faith in Jesus.

Our faith in Jesus causes us to be what the law wants.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

Charlie, because the Bible says that a person who lives by the law must live ALL of it - I take that to mean what it says.  Obey them all if you are going to obey one.

Of course things like murder, rape, theft, and more are still sins today, but it's NOT because they are "in the Law".

There are a host of things that were sins long before the law that were also mentioned in the Law and are still sins today.  It's like God put into effect the moral nature of humanity with Adam and Eve.

I don't stay away from murder or stealing or lying because they are in the Law.  I stay away from them because they are unholy and were so from the beginning.

The law doesn't mention all sins.  Child abuse is not mentioned.  In my opinion, NOT because it isn't important, but because it's a given!  Pedophilia also isn't mentioned.

If we are going to "obey" the law because it is "the Law", we are going to leave out things.

 

I am sorry but I am not following you here. And I am sure it may be me that is interpreting this incorrectly. It almost sounds like because there are so many more sins than what is mentioned in the 10, then they are incomplete and????

If God write His 10 in stone what does that say? 
 

Is the law still in play or do you think it is no longer to be obeyed ?

 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

And by-the-by, I greatly believe in study of the entire Old Testament.  I love it.  Many Christians avoid it.  It's boring they say, it's  repetitive they say, it "doesn't apply to me" they say.....

I say that it is all God's Word and all to be read, studied, memorized in pieces, and meditated on.  There is a vast amount to learn in the Old Testament.

I agree ! God would not and could not have sent Jesus unless and until He ensured the Tanakh was complete. The NT tries to explain the OT.. 
 

[Charlie744]

55 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

We are not saved by the law, but by faith in Jesus.

Our faith in Jesus causes us to be what the law wants.

Agree, the law could not and never was supposed to save us. It did reveal how far we are from God… THAT DISTANCE HAS NOT CHANGED. But of course, His sacrifice and our faith in Him is what is required to “reconcile” that distance- it did not eliminate the law. 

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I have some idea, does anyone wants to listen?

This is a beautiful question, hope we can have more questions like that. 

 

I would love to listen.  Don't 'shorten' up anything up on my account either.  I like details and Scripture and long, as you well know.  So Please...

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Let me ask this...

                Is the Law still in effect?

                Has the Law been done away with?

                Is there still sin in the world?

                Has sin been done away with?

 

Thanks.

The 10 commandments are still in effect. 

As for all the laws given on how Israel was to conduct their government, their policing of their people in their nation I would imagine went back into effect when they became a nation again.  Why wouldn't they?  As for the Christian, since Christ became our access to God 'tearing the veil in two' so that we can boldly go into the Holy of Holies, through His blood as the Lamb slain and He is our High Priest then YES, all the law is in effect just not as it was previously.  

Personally,  I don't know about wearing linen with wool, but I am all about sending Murderers and Rapists straight to God.  

Has sin been done away with?  THAT would be a big fat NO.  When those follow a law the law becomes a law unto themselves so yes laws are not only in effect we are being held to a higher standard.  They couldn't do it under the law, under grace,  we are not even supposed to THiNK it and with us having the Holy Spirit to call on to lead and guide us, anyone who thinks GOD has changed is in for a rude awakening...IMHO

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Let me ask this...

                Is the Law still in effect?

               Yes for those not in Christ

                Has the Law been done away with?

                Yes for those in Christ

                 Does this mean we do not have to obey the Law?

                Is there still sin in the world?

                Yes but we are not of this world

                Has sin been done away with?

                Yes for those not under the law

                Does this mean we do not sin?

 

                 If we believe in Jesus and accept Him as our Lord and Savior, but continue to sin under the presumption all  our sin has or will be taken away, are we still saved?  This would tie into His final Words before He returned to His Father - Obey my commandments and believe in Me..... both are required I think. If Jesus told us to "believe in Him and He is the Messiah, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".... ONLY, then I would be more inclined to believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine where once you accept Jesus, you are good to go.

                 So I guess I would have to ask you what do you mean when you say those in Christ are no longer under the Law or sin....

 

Thanks.

                 

 

I don't believe sin has been done away with but the penalty of DEATH for sin has been paid, though Judgment is still coming, just not death.  

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Jayne said:

Thanks to our heavenly Father that the Law was 100% fulfilled in Jesus Christ.  That means that it is over.  Jesus said, himself, that this is what he came to do.  Fulfill it.   He wasn't abolishing, but fulfilling it.  Some people were saying that he came to destroy Moses -  abolishing the law.  That wasn't true he explained.

Didn't He come to fulfill all the prophecies written of Him IN THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.  

I am not saying Jesus didn't follow the law perfectly, so I guess my question is 'how does one 'fulfill' a law?  I understand following it but fulfill?  

The law CAN'T be over because every thing GOD does is done through laws.  If we think about the 'laws' and when and why they were given  it helps us to understand what was meant.  

For 400 years the people had been slaves.  

They didn't know how to set up worship God, run a government nor police their people.  They had no idea about priests and their duties.  They had no idea about how or what to sacrifice.   They had no idea how to run a country.  They were like little kids.  SO the LAWS were given to do EVERYTHING.  Food laws so they ate right.  Laws for everything so they had STRUCTURE and it was being done GODS WAY.  

With the temple being destroyed and their banishment from their lands and nation,  those laws were no longer followed because they were no longer needed.   Can't run a country without one... can't sacrifice in a temple without one...


But the 10 commandments will never be abolished and they aren't something Christ could fulfill only follow.  

Had you ever heard of 'fulfilling a law' before?  That's like fulfilling the color blue don't you think?