The science not known by many increasingly supports the Bible.

[Uriah]

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I notice that NASA completely ignores the electric universe stuff and successfully navigates the solar system, using the "outdated theories" and consensus of real physicists and engineers.

Hmmm, arguing about something I never said? That's a waste. My position is NOT one verses the other! I haven't seen anyone that thinks that. The EU people don't think that. I believe it is more like why would either side NOT want to be a part of the other. In other you are pursuing a false narrative. Electric Universe simply enhances the "gravity only" consensus. 

It is even hard to say that seeing as some are beginning to admit there IS electricity in space. (think auroras)

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

NASA uses Newton's theory of gravitation to navigate the solar system, occasionally fine-tuning using relativity.  It ignores "electric universe" ideas.   And it works just as the theories predict.   The math is based on those theories.    This is how scientific hypotheses are validated into theories.    When someone can do that without gravitation and relativity, using "electric universe" then you've got a case.   Until then, no.  

And when new evidence is found, shouldn't people adjust their operating theory? In our times we have seen otherwise very bright people act like the Catholic church did with Galileo. For example, The Picture That Won't go Away (https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050610arptest.htm) ...using ordinary observation through telescopes that totally changes previous dogma about quasars and that has a major ripple effect. Yet no modification on the subject takes place. All the math on earth doesn't make it go away.

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

And it works just as the theories predict.

And what do you say of the predictions by EU advocates that were verified? Do you know of any? What is the explanation for polygon shaped craters by the, "gravity only" people? Nothing. They don't have one. They can't provide one. They only ignore such things and avoid them. Reporting what can be seen and answered only produces a measure of angst.

What a shame, nobody wants to take away from their accomplishments, only add to and enhance the work that has been collectively achieved thus far. But, no. When someone speaks up about observations that hasn't been seen before, they are banned from telescope time as in a notable case. That's progress, right? 

[ayin jade]

Fyi, auroras do not happen in space. They happen in an atmosphere. 

[Retrobyter]

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

Magnetism requires electric current to exist. 

Shalom, Uriah.

Yes, and electric fields require magnetism to exist. A dying electric field generates a magnetic field at 90 degrees to the original electric field, and a dying magnetic field generates an electric field at 90 degrees to that field. This is how electro-magnetic waves are propagated in empty space! Both fields are at 90 degrees to the direction of the wave, generated in 3D-space.

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

 

At the risk of being called a heretic, the burning bush that was not consumed was also related to the pillar of fire that Moses entered. (which I believe was the time when he was taken to the mount of transfiguration) Many ancient people had never seen auroras and when seeing these things could only relate them appearance to the similarity to the faint flames that move over the glowing coals in the fire pit.

 

I challenge the statement, "the burning bush that was not consumed was also related to the pillar of fire that Moses entered." Where does it ever say in Scripture that Moses entered the pillar of fire? Also, he APPROACHED the burning bush, but I would HIGHLY doubt that he ever got near enough to put his hand into the fire! He was merely investigating the phenomenon of the bush appearing to burn but not being consumed! I don't think he would put himself in harm's way to attempt to touch the fire! Besides, God stopped his approach by calling out to him and telling him to remove his sandals from off his feet!

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

Consider the Red sea crossing. The pillar of fire was there! I believe it was used by God to part the Red Sea. It was responsible for the chariots of the Egyptians to be "drove heavily". The charges could push the water apart (water is diamagnetic) and burst the algae (containing carrageenan) which then "congealed"!

This, too, is in error. Before making statements like this, it would be wise to go back and re-read the passage of Scripture!

Exodus 13:17-22; 14:1- (KJV)

17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt: 18 But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt. 19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying,

"God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you."

20 And they took their journey from Succoth, and encamped in Etham, in the edge of the wilderness. 21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: 22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 

2 "Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea. 3 For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel,

"'They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in.'

4 "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD."

And they did so.

5 And it was told the king of Egypt that the people fled: and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned against the people, and they said,

"Why have we done this, that we have let Israel go from serving us?"

6 And he made ready his chariot, and took his people with him: 7 And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them. 8 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand. 9 But the Egyptians pursued after them, all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, and his horsemen, and his army, and overtook them encamping by the sea, beside Pihahiroth, before Baalzephon.

10 And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD. 11 And they said unto Moses,

"Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt? 12 Is not this the word that we did tell thee in Egypt, saying, 'Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians'? For it had been better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness!"

13 And Moses said unto the people,

"Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever. 14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace."

15 And the LORD said unto Moses,

"Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: 16 But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea. 17 And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. 18 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen."

19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: 20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. 22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. 23 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. 24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, 25 And took (popped) off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said,

"Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians!"

26 And the LORD said unto Moses,

"Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen."

27 And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. 29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

30 Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. 31And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD, and his servant Moses.

Do you see why it's important to review the actual text? We can't just INVENT what happened; we must also be faithful to the text!

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

Also, people must have asked Moses what he saw when he was in the pillar. Especially while looking up. I believe his description is with us even today. The above pillar would be made of smaller filaments that wind around each other like coax.  

As seen throughout the solar system, there are hexagon shaped craters because of these discharges when in creased in energy begin to have fewer "strands" until they get about six. the inner portion pushes outward while the outer area squeezes inward.

 

Again, I challenge the idea that "Moses ... was in the pillar!" Can you point to the reference of when this happened?

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

 

 

 

This is interesting art work, suggesting six overlapping circles such that the centers of these circles are 60 degrees between each other from the center of the intersection, in order to form an overlapping similar to the Magen David, the Shield of David. But, this is only possible if the circles are just the right size, equal in size, and if the centers of these circles is a certain distance from the center of the overlapping.

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

Hmmm, arguing about something I never said? That's a waste. My position is NOT one verses the other! I haven't seen anyone that thinks that. The EU people don't think that. I believe it is more like why would either side NOT want to be a part of the other. In other you are pursuing a false narrative. Electric Universe simply enhances the "gravity only" consensus. 

It is even hard to say that seeing as some are beginning to admit there IS electricity in space. (think auroras)

That's been known for a long time.   The point is that when one can adequately explain things without a hypothesis, and can navigate space without even considering it, one wonders why there should even be a hypothesis.

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

And when new evidence is found, shouldn't people adjust their operating theory?

When new evidence comes up.   But so far, no one can show that "electric universe" ideas actually exist in reality.

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

And what do you say of the predictions by EU advocates that were verified? Do you know of any?

I would have been more impressed, if those statements had been publicized before the discoveries were announced by conventional scientists.

But I'd be open to some evidence.  Show us.

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

What is the explanation for polygon shaped craters by the, "gravity only" people? Nothing.

The "hexagonal craters" presented (aside from the Photoshopped ones) don't look very hexagonal.   

Get some way to explain (for example) neutrinos and fusion in the Sun, and you'll get some interest.  Otherwise, it's just another conspiracy theory about people losing "telescope time."

 

 

[Uriah]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Do you see why it's important to review the actual text? (indeed)

Exo 24:15-18

And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount .And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Before making statements like this, it would be wise to go back and re-read the passage of Scripture! (INDEED)

Exo 15:8- And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

[Uriah]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

The point is that when one can adequately explain things without a hypothesis, and can navigate space without even considering it, one wonders why there should even be a hypothesis.

What? Ya have to navigate through space, THEN your observations are correct. that leaves out the planetary scientists and on and on. EU theory is NOT for navigation. This reminds me of a neighbor's young son hearing his dad saying he is getting for his truck. The kid asked if he is going to be a farmer. Not that kind of plow!

 

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

When new evidence comes up.   But so far, no one can show that "electric universe" ideas actually exist in reality.

But not currently existing evidence?

 

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I would have been more impressed, if those statements had been publicized before the discoveries were announced by conventional scientists

Proves you haven't investigated much on the matter. 

https://www.holoscience.com/wp/stuart-talbott-predictions-of-thornhill-and-the-eu-model-thunderbolts/

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

The "hexagonal craters" presented (aside from the Photoshopped ones) don't look very hexagonal.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... those people who have sent out probes etc. should clean up their websites! The nerve of JPL to Photoshop this stuff. The discharges that made them often don't strike exactly perpendicularly, hence most have a shorter side. But enough spoon feeding, get to work actually researching.

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

people losing "telescope time."

Oh, like that didn't happen? Can you prove that?

Edited July 24, 2022 by Uriah

[The Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Uriah said:

What? Ya have to navigate through space, THEN your observations are correct. that leaves out the planetary scientists and on and on. EU theory is NOT for navigation. This reminds me of a neighbor's young son hearing his dad saying he is getting for his truck. The kid asked if he is going to be a farmer. Not that kind of plow!

EU hypothesis says that gravity doesn't account for the motions of objects in space, for example.  It says that it's all electricity.   But as you see, that hypothesis is entirely irrelevant to actually moving around the solar system.

4 minutes ago, Uriah said:

But not currently existing evidence?

Show us.    The "hexagonal craters" presented (aside from the Photoshopped ones) don't look very hexagonal.

5 minutes ago, Uriah said:

The nerve of JPL to Photoshop this stuff.

The Photoshopped stuff doesn't look like the NASA images from which they were made.

6 minutes ago, Uriah said:

The discharges that made them often don't strike exactly perpendicularly, hence most have a shorter side.

I guess that excuse could also account for the rounded sides of the craters in the original images?

7 minutes ago, Uriah said:

But enough spoon feeding, get to work actually researching.

I couldn't find any evidence, either.   There's a good reason no one comes up with any actual examples of this supposed effect.   Or of people "losing telescope time."

9 minutes ago, Uriah said:

Oh, like that didn't happen? Can you prove that?

Don't have to.  If the person making the claim can't show it happened, well, you know...

 

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

well, you know...................................... lazy

https://beyondmainstream.org/halton-arp-and-his-peculiar-galaxies/

under 2 minutes

Edited July 24, 2022 by Uriah

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

Exo 24:15-18

And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount .And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

Exo 15:8- And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

Shalom, Uriah.

Okay, I hadn't actually considered the cloud on the mountaintop as being the "pillar of cloud and fire"; so, I'll give you that one reluctantly. Actually, the pillar of cloud and fire was so that they could continue their journey. It was a shade to them by day, and a light for them at night. It was more like a pillar opening up to a cloud above, sort of like an umbrella or a parasol. It was long enough and broad enough to provide shade for the whole group of the children of Israel, which may have been in the millions. You can bet on it being noticed by anyone living close enough to their path!

However, "congealed" simply means "to gel together," like a sauce thickening in a pan as the water is driven off, or molasses turning into candy, pulled taffy turning into hard candy, or Jello gelatin hardening in a mold. However else God did this, He used the east wind, the "blast from His nostrils," to drive back the water and harden the walls of water and turn the mud of the sea floor into "dry ground." It was some temporary process that He had Moses undo with his staff behind them, as the Egyptians were attempting to flee.

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

I hadn't actually considered the cloud on the mountaintop as being the "pillar of cloud and fire"

Well its description in the text matches the pillar of fire! Which liiked different depending on the time of day.

 

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

"congealed" simply means "to gel together,"

I remember doing a deep dive on this one, something about "fat" solidifying similarly. the Red sea Algae contains plenty of carrageenan. I am sure you know the tight bond it can make. the east wind would act like the refrigerator for the gelatin to set. I am supposing that the Egyptians were passing through as the temperature was rising.

Here is a man who found a stele that appears to portray the Pharaoh pursuing Moses. The two highlighted circles contain swirls he says is water.

 

The six "bands" are made visible in this pic.

 

An additional view.

 

 By having the "tubes" filled with water surrounded by the carrageenan rings, the balance between buoyancy and weight stabilization can be achieved. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Uriah