Is Gods word true?

[Your closest friendnt]

15 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

A vision doesn't mean that it's something that isn't real.

If the vision was off a literal future event, then it's still literal.

I'm not sure why your confused.

By the way, I've read the book. I've read the Bible cover to cover many times.

 

@TrueFollowerOfChrist

Bellow in "....", I copy and paste the following statement from your quoted post above. 

"I'm not sure why your confused." 

This is a Judging statement, and this is not the first time that you have use that statement in your response to others...

Please do not say that again about a poster I love, and I am 100% and without any doubt that Jesus loves. 

(and or about anyone else in similar circumstances when they do not share your understanding) besides the point that you are making the understanding of another poster the subject of discussion, this is not the way to convince someone else to follow what you are saying about the issues that are up for discussion. 

The discussion is about the issues...at hand...

@TrueFollowerOfChrist 

This is from a copy and paste from your quoted post above

"the vision was off a literal future event, then it's still literal."

The vision was of a literar future even" in other words it was a prophetic event, and this is what the OP is asking and it is part of the discussion, he is asking if that has happened or if we are still waiting for it to happen.  

And if we take the position that it has already happened then we need to referred to the events, the actual facts that proves that it shows that has happened, so we do not have to wait for it to happen..

So it is, if we take the position that it was a prophetic vision...because someone can say this is a description of what the Lord had done to Joshua the High Priest who was still living at the time the vision was given to Zacharias...and then he would bear the Burden to prove it...

Where are you standing in this matter?  

With your response, follow with your reasons as to why, expecting to be examining as to your reasons that you believe it supports your position in this matter...

[Your closest friendnt]

23 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

I want to tell it like I see it. Satan wanted to exploit the high priest for being sinful while holding the position of High Priest. The filthy garments shows that he was guilty. Joshua could no longer hold the office of High Priest because of his sins represented by his unclean garments. After the Lord rebuked satan the Lord said take away his filthy garments and put new garments on him and a new mitre put on his head. The Lord did not just wash his dirty old garment of sin. He put new garments on him. The new garments took away his sins and made him new again as in regeneration.

 

23 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

The Lord also told Joshua to walk in repentance. 

When I read the relevant passage in Zacharias over and over again and from different versions, then I was thinking to my self why I do not see that in the relevant scriptures that

" that the Lord also told Joshua to walk in repentance". 

@Mike Mclees 

I need to ask you what you read in the relevant scriptures to make you come to that conclusion, because the words of that statement cannot be found in Zacharias 3:1-5, the relevant scriptures at hand.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

22 hours ago, Jayne said:

Yes, there is a point to be made in all nine of the dreams or visions.  This is not about fact or fiction.  It's about literal vs. figurative.  Fact vs. fiction is different.

This was a prophetic vision, it was about something coming in the future...

It shows a change is going to take place...

It centers around Joshua the High Priest, if a change can be shown in the standing of the High Priest then this change also can affect the rest of the people the High Priest as the head of the people was standing alone before the Lord, he was the only one permitted to stand before the Lord in the Most Holy Place and before he do that he had offered the sacrifices of the Atonement for his own sins and his family and the Priests and the people of the congregation...

When the High Priest came out of the Most Holy Place Alive the people breath with a sign of relief...the High Priest came alive from the presence of the Lord who sat as the Judge for him and the Congregation that meant a lot to people who were waiting for the Judgment of the Lord...the High Priest came out alive, it meant that the ministry of the High Priest was a accepted by the Lord and the people were alive to him, and that's why they breath a sign of relief when the High Priest stepped out of the Most Holy place...

The first ones to know that were the Priest who were doing the ministry in the Temple on that day and they may have start singing a hymn to give notice to the rest of the congregation that the Atonement was accepted by the Lord, and all is good for another year, till the next time...

There is a reason why in that vision the High Priest had to be picked as an example...because he was the only one who was standing before the Lord..

And we see in this vision that the Lord informs that the time is coming at some time in the future that this ministry of the Atonement in the  Temple will seized to be performed, signaling the end for the need of the Levitical Priest hood...

And it is demonstrated in the vision that the Lord will do something himself that he can provide the people with a new garment and a New Mitre, this is significant that both of them show or give Notice that the New order of Priesthood will have a different propose in their ministry...a new Mitre it shows the change from the old priesthood to the New Priesthood, the Royal Priesthood in the name of Jesus Christ...

22 hours ago, Jayne said:

There really was a Joshua, the priest.  A real man.  There really was a Zechariah the prophet.  Real man.

But God sent Zechariah a dream or vision about Joshua - the events only symbolic.  Joshua did not really appear before God in filthy clothes.  He did not literally get a clean turban for his head and most clearly of all - Joshua is not literally Jesus Christ.

The filthy clothes are the sins of the people.

The clean clothes are God's grace to people.

Joshua, if remaining faithful, is a symbol, or type, of Jesus Christ whom God calls the Branch here.

 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@TrueFollowerOfChrist

Bellow in "....", I copy and paste the following statement from your quoted post above. 

"I'm not sure why your confused." 

This is a Judging statement, and this is not the first time that you have use that statement in your response to others...

Please do not say that again about a poster I love, and I am 100% and without any doubt that Jesus loves. 

(and or about anyone else in similar circumstances when they do not share your understanding) besides the point that you are making the understanding of another poster the subject of discussion, this is not the way to convince someone else to follow what you are saying about the issues that are up for discussion. 

The discussion is about the issues...at hand...

@TrueFollowerOfChrist 

This is from a copy and paste from your quoted post above

"the vision was off a literal future event, then it's still literal."

The vision was of a literar future even" in other words it was a prophetic event, and this is what the OP is asking and it is part of the discussion, he is asking if that has happened or if we are still waiting for it to happen.  

And if we take the position that it has already happened then we need to referred to the events, the actual facts that proves that it shows that has happened, so we do not have to wait for it to happen..

So it is, if we take the position that it was a prophetic vision...because someone can say this is a description of what the Lord had done to Joshua the High Priest who was still living at the time the vision was given to Zacharias...and then he would bear the Burden to prove it...

Where are you standing in this matter?  

With your response, follow with your reasons as to why, expecting to be examining as to your reasons that you believe it supports your position in this matter...

No offense, but I can't respond properly to your post. I was offended by the rebuke you have me. What I had said was not intended to be offensive or mean. However the words you used with me seemed angry and hurtful. You spoke to me in a way you shouldn't have, simply because you disagreed with me. I don't know if your a moderator, but your welcome to kick me off this site. I don't appreciate being spoken to in such an unchristian way. Difference of opinion can be good. They are not something to be feared or attacked unless they directly contradict or attack the word of God. If I am not kicked off this site despite causing the sin of disagreeing with you, then I will simply refrain from commenting on your posts. It bothers me to see others on here having arguments and I don't wish to be part of that. So I will simply say God Bless and Blessing to you. I'm sorry I angered you so much with what I believe was a harmless disagreement. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

No offense, but I can't respond properly to your post. I was offended by the rebuke you have me. What I had said was not intended to be offensive or mean. However the words you used with me seemed angry and hurtful. You spoke to me in a way you shouldn't have, simply because you disagreed with me. I don't know if your a moderator, but your welcome to kick me off this site. I don't appreciate being spoken to in such an unchristian way. Difference of opinion can be good. They are not something to be feared or attacked unless they directly contradict or attack the word of God. If I am not kicked off this site despite causing the sin of disagreeing with you, then I will simply refrain from commenting on your posts. It bothers me to see others on here having arguments and I don't wish to be part of that. So I will simply say God Bless and Blessing to you. I'm sorry I angered you so much with what I believe was a harmless disagreement. 

There is something in your response that it does have nothing to do with me and the reason that I had to post the post in question address to you as a response to the other poster, when in your post it was described as being confused...which was a Judging statement about the person, the other person...that's all it was about and nothing to do about all the rest in your post...and I do not need to repeat that twice. Nothing more than that...

You are not authorized by me to speak about my intentions, and I read a lot of speculation about my intentions and the propose of putting together that post...

Please only about the issues on the post and never about the poster, not even using suggestive scriptures.  

No one has reported any one and that will never happen, this ministry is dedicated in shaping up the poster and make them conscious and giving them the time to comply with the terms of service...

God bless, 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 9/5/2022 at 1:59 PM, Mike Mclees said:

I want to tell it like I see it. Satan wanted to exploit the high priest for being sinful while holding the position of High Priest. The filthy garments shows that he was guilty. Joshua could no longer hold the office of High Priest because of his sins represented by his unclean garments. After the Lord rebuked satan

 

On 9/5/2022 at 1:59 PM, Mike Mclees said:

 

the Lord said take away his filthy garments and put new garments on him and a new mitre put on his head.

.....

Bellow is the scriptures that describes who said:

"take away his filthy garments and put new garments on him".

*** in Zacharias 3:3-4

In verse 3:3 Joshua stood before the Angel,  and in verse four the Angel said to those who stood before him. The words of the Angel " take away the filthy garments from him, and unto Joshua he said, the Angel said:

" Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, (it does not say how he did it, how he caused his iniquity to pass from him, speaking toJoshua.)

and I will clothe thee with change of raiment." 

** and in verse 5, Joshua said: Let them set a fair Mitre upon his head and they did so as it is described in verse five.

****what it is important to notice is that the Prophet Zachariah said:

let them set a new Mitre upon his head. 

Why it is so important to point this out, thout the Prophet Zachariah will interject and make that Suggestion and they did so and they set a fair Mitre upon his head and they......

***to set a fair Mitre upon his head and not to pair the old Mitre who the New Garments it signifies the old Priesthood is a thing of the past and the prophet Zachariah show the change of Priesthood...this is it the Prophet comprehended the message of the vision, or one of the messages from that vision, that a new Priesthood will be in place by the Lord when the Angel will cause the iniquity to pass from the High Priest of the old Covenant without the need of the Temple and the Old Priesthood and the sacrifices. Signifying the end of the Aaronic Priesthood and the sacrifices and the need of the Temple...

pointing to the new Royal Preishood under the New Covenant...

For the prophet Zachariah to make the suggestion to put a Fair Mitre upon the High Priest it let us know that Zaharias had understand the message of the vision.

we also have the High Priest standing without the Mitre of the High Priest before the Angel of the Lord, and only with his filthy garments on, signifying that at that time the Sinai Covenant with the Aaronic Priesthood was not in effect, that a change has taken place...**

Zacharias 3:1-5  Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

 5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[TheBlade]

Seems your going to have to just take it by faith huh or believe what some man tells us what really happened. Hmm one could pray seek ask Him? Is it not His word did He not speak it?  NO offense to anyone speaking to my self also. Its amazing how we have the GREAT I AM in us.. we are one..thats not just a nice saying we are ONE! Yet can we not just ask? Now ask knowing He heard you and DON'T put Him on some time clock. 

What I personally believe matters not. I never wondered about it. The word makes it clear how we are to talk about Satan..for me comes into play here.. anyway