Ask Me Anything About Christianity

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

My ransom has been paid.  I have been redeemed.  The Lord tasted death for me.  TODAY is the day of salvation.  TODAY was when the prisoners were set free and that was 2000 years ago

Christ is coming back FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE

 

4 minutes ago, Starise said:

What is God preserving here? 

Are you saying God does not keep us from evil while we are in this body?  

Are you saying God is PRESERVING YOUR DEAD CARCASS IN THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH?

I STILL HAVE yet to be given the Scripture your whole belief is predicated on in which DEAD FLESH WILL BE RAISED UP A SPIRITUAL BODY.  

DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BIG HELP?  

 

6 minutes ago, Starise said:

or they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

 

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 

HE WAS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE THEN, HE HAS BEEN THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE EVER SINCE AND HE IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE TODAY AND EVERYDAY AND WILL BE UNTIL HE RETURNS AND 'THOSE WHO HAVE ENDURED TO THE END WILL BE CHANGED AND JOINED WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS.  

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

2Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
 

[Starise]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

1Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 

Is there a when here? No mention of when it happens.

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 

Yes. At the second coming it is raised a spiritual body.

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

IT DOESN'T SAY THERE IS A NATURAL BODY THAT IS CHANGED INTO A SPIRITUAL BODY.  

John 20:24-29

New International Version

Jesus Appears to Thomas

24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Well.....Is this a natural body changed into a spiritual body or isn't it?

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Do you believe that by ADAM death was brought about, but by CHRIST LIFE IS NOT BROUGHT ABOUT 'until later on'?

Life in Christ is immediate. Resurrection is later. Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for us FUTURE- GOING TO PREPARE. Not already prepared. Future future future.

10 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

1Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 

Does this say

IF THE DEAD WON'T BE RISING IN THE FUTURE? OR DOES IT SAY

IF THE DEAD DON'T RISE?  

Lets not add or subtract or let our beliefs dictate what is written. 

No time given here when it will happen. It hasn't already happened. I've already shown text for that. The SOUL of the dead is with the Lord immediately, but the dead are NOT yet resurrected.

 

12 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS I KEEP EXPLAINING HOW EXACTLY I READ THESE VERSES.  I THINK YOU NEED TO SHOW ME HOW YOU READ THEM.  

I am simply reading the texts on the subject and comparing them all.

[DeighAnn]

14 minutes ago, Starise said:

Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

Why exactly does BREATH need rest?  Or why does a SOUL need a robe?  

Why is everything we see happening in heaven REQUIRE a body?  They cry, worship, have feet, wear clothes ride horses, sit on thrones, we are like the angels and all the angels we see are just like us...

[Starise]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

Why exactly does BREATH need rest?  Or why does a SOUL need a robe?  

Why is everything we see happening in heaven REQUIRE a body?  They cry, worship, have feet, wear clothes ride horses, sit on thrones, we are like the angels and all the angels we see are just like us...

There are a few mysteries here that I welcome anyone to expound on. 

I will tell you what I believe to be true according to everything I know so far- 

- If our souls are lucid immediately after death when we are with the Lord, it points to an incomplete state of being since the dead in Christ are raised at or about the 6th trumpet at the end. It just doesn't figure any other way. Otherwise, these dead in Christ would have to be another group of dead.  I don't find a scriptural precedent for it.

Maybe we could speculate they are those who are saved after the others have gone, but then we have to come up with a narrative for why this happened and where it is mentioned in the bible. We also have to explain why everyone who dies still has a dead body in the grave.

We have solid biblical evidence for the old bodies being resurrected into new bodies. I don't think we can skate around that one.

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Starise said:

Is there a when here? No mention of when it happens.

WE know if it is raised out of corruption it doesn't receive immortality, so YES THERE IS A TIME THERE as 

WE PASS THROUGH DEATH and we don't REST IN DEATH as we have been made alive.  

 

5 minutes ago, Starise said:

Yes. At the second coming it is raised a spiritual body.

IT SAYS THE DEAD WILL RISE not the SPIRITUAL BODIES OF THE LIVING.

 DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH?  

HEAVEN AND HELL

THESE AREN'T just words.  

YOU HAVE PLACED OUR SPIRITUAL BODY IN HELL.  

Will you be answering questions soon?  They are piling up as I answer your every question.  



AGAIN I ASK YOU WHERE DOES IT SAY AT THE 2ND COMING?  WHERE DOES IT SAY HOW THAT TAKES PLACE?  WHERE DOES IT SPEAK OF ANY 'RECONSTITUTING' OF SOUL AND FLESH?  

I REALLY HOPE YOU START ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS SOON.  IT WOULD BE NICE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO GET MAD AND END THE CONVERSATION BEFORE THEN BECAUSE I SAY SOMETHING IN THE WRONG WAY.  





 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

14 minutes ago, Starise said:

The SOUL of the dead is with the Lord immediately, but the dead are NOT yet resurrected.

Where is this in the scriptures?

From my understand it is the spirit that returns to the lord.  The spirit is the breath and life of all men and living creatures.  The soul is not the spirit nor is the body the soul.  Man became a soul after God but his spirit into him.  The soul is the medium between the flesh and spirit.

and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. - Ecc 12:7 

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Gen 2:7 

I have not read anything conclusive that when man dies he immediately goes to heaven.  

Jesus said, "no man has ever ascended up to heaven".

"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, [that is], the Son of Man who is in heaven. - Jhn 3:13 NKJV

Edited October 1, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

There are a few mysteries here that I welcome anyone to expound on. 

I will tell you what I believe to be true according to everything I know so far- 

- If our souls are lucid immediately after death when we are with the Lord, it points to an incomplete state of being since the dead in Christ are raised at or about the 6th trumpet at the end. It just doesn't figure any other way. Otherwise, these dead in Christ would have to be another group of dead.  I don't find a scriptural precedent for it.

Maybe we could speculate they are those who are saved after the others have gone, but then we have to come up with a narrative for why this happened and where it is mentioned in the bible. We also have to explain why everyone who dies still has a dead body in the grave.

We have solid biblical evidence for the old bodies being resurrected into new bodies. I don't think we can skate around that one.

PLEASE give me scripture.  I give scripture for every single thing I say and believe.  Why don't you?  Either it is written or it isn't.  

Please answer my questions now. 

I hate to say it but I don't care what you believe I care what you can show me GOD WROTE FOR ME TO BELIEVE.  

I don't do traditions of man or wisdom of man or doctrines of man I DO WORDS OF GOD.  Nothing else makes sense to me because I don't know anything but the words of God.  


THE SECOND we leave this HOUSE this house becomes a carcass. dead. useless. never to be used again.  dust as it was.  WE STILL HAVE A BODY AND SOUL.  The good the bad the ugly.  

NO WONDER WE DON'T FEAR THE DEATH OF THIS FLESH BECAUSE IT HARDLY EFFECTS US.  WE PASS THROUGH DEATH AND FOLLOW CHRIST JESUS TO HEAVEN.  WE GET OUR ROBES, REST FROM OUR LABORS ON THIS CORRUPTED EARTH AND WILL NEVER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 'THIS AGE' AGAIN.  



THE DEAD ARE RAISED FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE.  

[Starise]

1 minute ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Where is this in the scriptures?

 

But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 

This verse technically cannot be used for the argument because it only states a desire of Paul's, yet many use it as an explanation.

The closest reference I see to this is Ecclesiates 12:7 which you already posted.

and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

My thoughts are the spirit of man in some way is in God's keeping.

There is nothing conclusive for me on this matter. Since I can't say our soul is ever OUT of the Lord's keeping, which only leaves one other option and that option does not specify we are in heaven immediately at death.

 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

 

But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 

This verse technically cannot be used for the argument because it only states a desire of Paul's, yet many use it as an explanation.

The closest reference I see to this is Ecclesiates 12:7 which you already posted.

and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

My thoughts are the spirit of man in some way is in God's keeping.

There is nothing conclusive for me on this matter. Since I can't say our soul is ever OUT of the Lord's keeping, which only leaves one other option and that option does not specify we are in heaven immediately at death.

Agreed...there is nothing conclusive that we go to heaven immediately after death.  Everything points to the resurrection. 

 

[Starise]

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

PLEASE give me scripture.  I give scripture for every single thing I say and believe.  Why don't you?  Either it is written or it isn't.  

Please look back over my posts. I clearly gave you a bunch of scripture on the subject. To say I haven't is dishonest.

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I hate to say it but I don't care what you believe I care what you can show me

I only want the truth also. No disagreement there. I can't follow the party line of some church teachings and the sweet things people say at funerals to make everyone feel better because most of it isn't present in scripture.

What I CAN say is we all as believers are eternally secured and destined for eternal life in new bodies with the Lord in paradise. I just don't see the process as immediate according to scripture. So we clearly disagree and unless you can show me something drastic I missed, I am not persuaded to change my mind. I am not touting what some call soul sleep according to some teachings I haven't gone into by the Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th day Adventists and others. I am simply looking at the text and what it says.

16 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I DO WORDS OF GOD.  Nothing else makes sense to me because I don't know anything but the words of God.  

Fair enough, then please explain the dead in Christ rising again at the 2nd coming and bodies still in graves up against your view of two bodies and two resurrections. Everything in the first part of that sentence is bible.