Where is his kingdom?

[Shilohsfoal]

https://biblehub.com/matthew/13-41.htm

The Son of man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 

 

How many people realize where his kingdom is? Who is cast out of his kingdom? 

[Marilyn C]

30 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

https://biblehub.com/matthew/13-41.htm

The Son of man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 

 

How many people realize where his kingdom is? Who is cast out of his kingdom? 

Hi Shilohsfoal,

That is the kingdom/rule of the Lord through Israel as promised. (Dan. 7: 27) That rulership/kingdom there in Matthew is on the earth. And those who can enter are those who looked after the Lord`s brethren, the Jews during the trib. It is the `sheep and goats` judgment. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

The Body of Christ was not revealed at that time. Our part in God`s great kingdom is higher up.

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

https://biblehub.com/luke/13-28.htm

 

Here again, people are being cast out of his kingdom. People who were his kingdom being cast out of his kingdom. 

Sounds to me that this kingdom has borders.

https://biblehub.com/amos/5-27.htm

Again, they are being cast out of the kingdom, going into exile beyond Damascus. Where are the borders of this kingdom they are being cast out of? 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Shilohsfoal

I read such a good commentary just today on Matt13...  I thought I'd share it here as it relates to your Topic.     The kingdom is right here on earth,how many times have we heard" the Kingdom is upon you"?Jesus Abides in us ,Holy Spirit Indwells- God is in our midst and here is more... 

https://www.workingpreacher.org/commentaries/revised-common-lectionary/ordinary-16/commentary-on-matthew-1324-30-36-43-2

[AdHoc]

On 9/14/2022 at 3:25 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

https://biblehub.com/matthew/13-41.htm

The Son of man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 

 

How many people realize where his kingdom is? Who is cast out of his kingdom? 

Our Lord Jesus came to Israel preaching the Kingdom of Heaven. So did John Baptist and so did the disciples of Jesus after Him. Our Lord Jesus said of the Kingdom that is was "at hand". That is, it was near enough to grasp. The common definition of a Kingdom is a sphere or area where a resident king exercises his authority. Our Lord Jesus was a King but his subjects refused Him and His authority. They accused Jesus of driving out demons by the hand of Beelzebub. This rejection of the King was full by Matthew 12, and Jesus, in turn, rips the Kingdom away from Israel (Matt.21:43). In this verse our Lord Jesus says that He is going to give the Kingdom to another people. This would take time. During this time of building another "people" to be fit kings with Christ, Jesus would exercise His authority ONLY in the Church. People looking at how this Kingdom was constructed would be "mystified". So after rejecting His fleshly connection to His mother and siblings at the end of Chapter 12, Jesus gave seven parables to explain to His disciples the "mysteries" of this Kingdom in the making.

That is, people would look upon the work going on and be "mystified". the true unfolding of the Kingdom was revealed to His disciples, but hidden from Israel and the Gentiles. The parable that is queried in the OP is that of the Wheat and the Tares. Tares look just like Wheat during the growing phase. It is only when the fruit is brought forth that the huge difference is seen. Wheat turns golden, bows its head of fruit and dries up from the earth, ready to be harvested to the Farmer's barn. When the Tares ripen they produce a stiff and sharp spine that stands upright, is black and is poisonous. The tares are then harvested and thrown into a fire. The time of harvest is the end of the age, and the gatherers are the angels. It is here that the difficulties with this parable begin.

The first difficulty is that the tares are harvested FIRST. In the common understanding of Christianity, the Church is harvested first and caught away to the clouds. Some years later, our Lord gathers the armies of the Beast to Armageddon and a great slaughter takes place. This is called the "harvest of the vine of the earth" in Revelation 14:17-20. So the tares cannot be the Gentiles, nor can they be the armies of the Beast. The answer lies in the similarity of the tares and the Wheat. The Tares are a COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY. They look like Christians, talk like them, even act like them BUT come from a different SOURCE or SEED.

Now, all of us know that there is only ONE religion on earth that looks and speaks like Christians but come from a completely different ORIGIN than Jesus Christ. From about 160 BC to 313 AD the dominant world power was Rome. By 313 AD, Rome faced financial and military ruin. But Constantine, the "Pontifex Maximus", adopted Christianity as the State religion. Over 95% of his subjects where still pagan, so Constantine kept all the pagan feats and rituals but gave them Biblical names. The Roman Empire was renamed to "The Holy Roman Empire" and soon you had what is to today, The Roman Catholic Church. In this powerful, wealthy entity of 1.3 billion people are many devout Catholics and Christians. But the religion of Rome was that of all six world powers of antiquity - that of Nimrod of Babylon.

This religion of Nimrod is called, by the Holy Spirit, in Revelation 17 and 18 "Mystery Babylon the Great Whore". The Beast uses her to achieve his plans of (1) world domination and (2) universal worship of himself and Satan. But if the Beast kept her on, men would continue to worship the creature and not the Beast and Satan. So the ten kings who gave their power and authority to the Beast, DESTROY THE WHORE (Rev.17:16-18). The Beast needs the WHORE out of the picture before he can set up himself in the Temple in Jerusalem. THUS, THE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY (THE TARES) ARE DESTROYED ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL, BY FIRE, BEFORE THE CHURCH IS RAPTURED. Rome will exist no more.

But then we find the second difficulty in this parable. The tares are gone and THEN ONLY DOES GOD SEEK THOSE WHO OFFEND IN HIS KINGDOM! The only sphere that our Lord is king of during the Church age is the Church (Col.1:13, Rev.1:9). And to be in the Kingdom you have to be born again (Jn.3:3-5). With the Tares GONE, the offenders can only be CHRISTIANS! This is the judgment of the Church at the Bema - after the rapture (Rom.14:10, 2nd Cor.5:10). When Christ comes to set up His everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, those Christians who OFFENDED habitually will be EXCLUDED from the Kingdom for the thousand years. This is shown in diverse parables (wedding garment, talents, pounds and Virgins) and in many direct statements like Matthew 7:21-23, 1st Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:21 and Ephesians 5:5.

The Kingdom is when a king is present and applies His authority. Jesus is NOW king in the Church only. When He return He will become King of the whole earth, and King of Israel. The Church, and Israel and the Nations will all be judged. Christians who habitually sin, rebel and have no intimate relationship with Jesus will be cast out of the thousand year Kingdom on earth.

[Shilohsfoal]

35 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Our Lord Jesus came to Israel preaching the Kingdom of Heaven. So did John Baptist and so did the disciples of Jesus after Him. Our Lord Jesus said of the Kingdom that is was "at hand". That is, it was near enough to grasp. The common definition of a Kingdom is a sphere or area where a resident king exercises his authority. Our Lord Jesus was a King but his subjects refused Him and His authority. They accused Jesus of driving out demons by the hand of Beelzebub. This rejection of the King was full by Matthew 12, and Jesus, in turn, rips the Kingdom away from Israel (Matt.21:43). In this verse our Lord Jesus says that He is going to give the Kingdom to another people. This would take time. During this time of building another "people" to be fit kings with Christ, Jesus would exercise His authority ONLY in the Church. People looking at how this Kingdom was constructed would be "mystified". So after rejecting His fleshly connection to His mother and siblings at the end of Chapter 12, Jesus gave seven parables to explain to His disciples the "mysteries" of this Kingdom in the making.

That is, people would look upon the work going on and be "mystified". the true unfolding of the Kingdom was revealed to His disciples, but hidden from Israel and the Gentiles. The parable that is queried in the OP is that of the Wheat and the Tares. Tares look just like Wheat during the growing phase. It is only when the fruit is brought forth that the huge difference is seen. Wheat turns golden, bows its head of fruit and dries up from the earth, ready to be harvested to the Farmer's barn. When the Tares ripen they produce a stiff and sharp spine that stands upright, is black and is poisonous. The tares are then harvested and thrown into a fire. The time of harvest is the end of the age, and the gatherers are the angels. It is here that the difficulties with this parable begin.

The first difficulty is that the tares are harvested FIRST. In the common understanding of Christianity, the Church is harvested first and caught away to the clouds. Some years later, our Lord gathers the armies of the Beast to Armageddon and a great slaughter takes place. This is called the "harvest of the vine of the earth" in Revelation 14:17-20. So the tares cannot be the Gentiles, nor can they be the armies of the Beast. The answer lies in the similarity of the tares and the Wheat. The Tares are a COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY. They look like Christians, talk like them, even act like them BUT come from a different SOURCE or SEED.

Now, all of us know that there is only ONE religion on earth that looks and speaks like Christians but come from a completely different ORIGIN than Jesus Christ. From about 160 BC to 313 AD the dominant world power was Rome. By 313 AD, Rome faced financial and military ruin. But Constantine, the "Pontifex Maximus", adopted Christianity as the State religion. Over 95% of his subjects where still pagan, so Constantine kept all the pagan feats and rituals but gave them Biblical names. The Roman Empire was renamed to "The Holy Roman Empire" and soon you had what is to today, The Roman Catholic Church. In this powerful, wealthy entity of 1.3 billion people are many devout Catholics and Christians. But the religion of Rome was that of all six world powers of antiquity - that of Nimrod of Babylon.

This religion of Nimrod is called, by the Holy Spirit, in Revelation 17 and 18 "Mystery Babylon the Great Whore". The Beast uses her to achieve his plans of (1) world domination and (2) universal worship of himself and Satan. But if the Beast kept her on, men would continue to worship the creature and not the Beast and Satan. So the ten kings who gave their power and authority to the Beast, DESTROY THE WHORE (Rev.17:16-18). The Beast needs the WHORE out of the picture before he can set up himself in the Temple in Jerusalem. THUS, THE COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY (THE TARES) ARE DESTROYED ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL, BY FIRE, BEFORE THE CHURCH IS RAPTURED. Rome will exist no more.

But then we find the second difficulty in this parable. The tares are gone and THEN ONLY DOES GOD SEEK THOSE WHO OFFEND IN HIS KINGDOM! The only sphere that our Lord is king of during the Church age is the Church (Col.1:13, Rev.1:9). And to be in the Kingdom you have to be born again (Jn.3:3-5). With the Tares GONE, the offenders can only be CHRISTIANS! This is the judgment of the Church at the Bema - after the rapture (Rom.14:10, 2nd Cor.5:10). When Christ comes to set up His everlasting Kingdom ON EARTH, those Christians who OFFENDED habitually will be EXCLUDED from the Kingdom for the thousand years. This is shown in diverse parables (wedding garment, talents, pounds and Virgins) and in many direct statements like Matthew 7:21-23, 1st Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:21 and Ephesians 5:5.

The Kingdom is when a king is present and applies His authority. Jesus is NOW king in the Church only. When He return He will become King of the whole earth, and King of Israel. The Church, and Israel and the Nations will all be judged. Christians who habitually sin, rebel and have no intimate relationship with Jesus will be cast out of the thousand year Kingdom on earth.

So you believe the kingdom is the entire world, including the land of Magog, and Gog who invades Israel after the 1000 years are expired is in the kingdom of heaven up to the end of that 1000 years? 

Since Gog is already in the kingdom of heaven, why would he need to travel so far to Invade an area that you believe is the same kingdom he is of? 

It seems strange that there is a ruler such as Gog who would come against his own Lord and ruler of his own land. I just can't see Gog as being a Saint. 

 

I've always felt Gog was not of the kingdom and Insted invades our lords kingdom. I've always felt Gog lives outside of the kingdoms borders. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe the kingdom is the entire world, including the land of Magog, and Gog who invades Israel after the 1000 years are expired is in the kingdom of heaven up to the end of that 1000 years? 

Since Gog is already in the kingdom of heaven, why would he need to travel so far to Invade an area that you believe is the same kingdom he is of? 

It seems strange that there is a ruler such as Gog who would come against his own Lord and ruler of his own land. I just can't see Gog as being a Saint. 

 

I've always felt Gog was not of the kingdom and Insted invades our lords kingdom. I've always felt Gog lives outside of the kingdoms borders. 

OK. Good question. We have Daniel 2 predicting an everlasting Kingdom, which comes to pass in Revelation 11. Revelation 20 says that all goes well for these first thousand years and then Satan is loosed and stirs up Gog and Magog to lead a huge rebellion against Jerusalem - the Capital of the earth. What happened?

What happened is that nothing goes untested by God. The Great Tribulation will kill about two thirds of the world's population. The Church is resurrected "when He comes" (1st Cor.15:23), and Israel is resurrected after the Great Tribulation (Dan.12:1-2). According to Luke 20:34-35 resurrected ones do not enter marriage. Marriage in the Bible is not a piece of paper or some vows. It is when tow become one flesh ad then "cleave" to one another. So the resurrected will not have children. But of Israel, at least 144,000 will survive the Great Tribulation and about 3 billion of the Nations (Gentiles) will survive it. They re not resurrected and so they will have children. Due to (i) "the regeneration of the earth, (ii) the big harvests, (iii) no wars, and (iv) righteous rule on earth, people will live a long time. With little or no contraception, the earth's population will boom. All those born after Armageddon will never have known Satan or his rule of this earth.

Now, since those who marry and have children are still in their fallen flesh, they will have a natural enmity against God. They will hate the "rule of the rod of iron". Their natural tendency is still towards evil - and so God gives them a choice. Do they want the King of Jerusalem - Jesus, or do they want Lucifer to reign over them? Many choose the deceitful promises of Satan. They form an army led by Magog and attack Jerusalem. In this awful rebellion against the Kingdom of Christ (i) Christ the King is tested, (ii) the "Everlasting Kingdom" is tested to see if it lasts, (iii) Christ's co-kings are tested as they remain steadfast in the face of a huge army, (iv) God is tested to see what He does about such a slight. The details are in Ezekiel 38 and 39. God takes personal charge. It is His Kingdom. Magog and company are soundly defeated. Great is the slaughter of Hamon-gog. This is the first, and last Kingdom that stands all tests.

[Alive]

A kingdom exists where the hearts of individuals stand to represent the King.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

OK. Good question. We have Daniel 2 predicting an everlasting Kingdom, which comes to pass in Revelation 11. Revelation 20 says that all goes well for these first thousand years and then Satan is loosed and stirs up Gog and Magog to lead a huge rebellion against Jerusalem - the Capital of the earth. What happened?

What happened is that nothing goes untested by God. The Great Tribulation will kill about two thirds of the world's population. The Church is resurrected "when He comes" (1st Cor.15:23), and Israel is resurrected after the Great Tribulation (Dan.12:1-2). According to Luke 20:34-35 resurrected ones do not enter marriage. Marriage in the Bible is not a piece of paper or some vows. It is when tow become one flesh ad then "cleave" to one another. So the resurrected will not have children. But of Israel, at least 144,000 will survive the Great Tribulation and about 3 billion of the Nations (Gentiles) will survive it. They re not resurrected and so they will have children. Due to (i) "the regeneration of the earth, (ii) the big harvests, (iii) no wars, and (iv) righteous rule on earth, people will live a long time. With little or no contraception, the earth's population will boom. All those born after Armageddon will never have known Satan or his rule of this earth.

Now, since those who marry and have children are still in their fallen flesh, they will have a natural enmity against God. They will hate the "rule of the rod of iron". Their natural tendency is still towards evil - and so God gives them a choice. Do they want the King of Jerusalem - Jesus, or do they want Lucifer to reign over them? Many choose the deceitful promises of Satan. They form an army led by Magog and attack Jerusalem. In this awful rebellion against the Kingdom of Christ (i) Christ the King is tested, (ii) the "Everlasting Kingdom" is tested to see if it lasts, (iii) Christ's co-kings are tested as they remain steadfast in the face of a huge army, (iv) God is tested to see what He does about such a slight. The details are in Ezekiel 38 and 39. God takes personal charge. It is His Kingdom. Magog and company are soundly defeated. Great is the slaughter of Hamon-gog. This is the first, and last Kingdom that stands all tests.

But according to your theory, Magog is in the kingdom. It's a part of the kingdom which you say is of christ. 

Now I myself don't believe this for you must be born again to enter the kingdom. Gog is not born again nor are any of the nations of the world who Invade the promised land when he does. 

According to you they must be born again because you say the entire world is the kingdom and they are certainly in the world. 

My belief is the land promised to Abraham's seed is the kingdom of Abraham seed. And Magog, Persia, Ethiopia who go to war against the kingdom are all outside of the kingdom. 

https://biblehub.com/galatians/3-16.htm

At least for 1000 years. Then maybe the rest of the world when the rest of the world is resurrected. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

But according to your theory, Magog is in the kingdom. It's a part of the kingdom which you say is of christ. 

Now I myself don't believe this for you must be born again to enter the kingdom. Gog is not born again nor are any of the nations of the world who Invade the promised land when he does. 

According to you they must be born again because you say the entire world is the kingdom and they are certainly in the world. 

My belief is the land promised to Abraham's seed is the kingdom of Abraham seed. And Magog, Persia, Ethiopia who go to war against the kingdom are all outside of the kingdom. 

https://biblehub.com/galatians/3-16.htm

At least for 1000 years. Then maybe the rest of the world when the rest of the world is resurrected. 

Your ideas are logical. Good thinking.

When Nicodemus met with our Lord Jesus at night, our Lord proposed the New Birth to SEE the Kingdom (Jn.3:3), and the New Birth and Baptism to ENTER the Kingdom (Jn.3:5). The purpose of the New Birth is twofold.

1. To inherit you have to be an HEIR. To be a co-Heir with Jesus you have to be His brother. The New Birth makes you a son of God and Heir (Jn.1:12-13) and brother (Rom.8:29)
2. To manage the Kingdom as a co-king of Jesus you need the same LIFE and nature as Jesus. This divine Life for being in the image and likeness of God is had by the New Birth (Jn.3:14-16). You become a "partaker of the divine life" (2nd Pet.1:4)

Now, before our Lord opened the way for the New Birth, there were TWO peoples on earth: (1) The Nations (or Gentiles) and (2) the Nation of Israel. But once the Spirit was given in the New Birth, you had a THIRD People - those who are the sons of God and possess the divine life. In Ephesians 2:15 you can see these three peoples. God made OF TWO a New Man. Some are Jews (or Israelites) and some are Gentiles and some are the New Man. When our Lord sets up His Kingdom on earth;

1. The New Man will be the CO-KINGS with Jesus ruling cities (Lk.19:17-19)
2. Israel, which will be ruled by their King Jesus, with David as second in command (Jer.30:9) and thus be a Kingdom of SUBJECTS
3. The Nations (Gentiles) will be SUBJECTS

That is like any Kingdom today. You have the King, you have the nobility and you have the SUBJECTS. Magog and Gog are a Nation of Gentiles. they will be part of the Kingdom of God on earth, but SUBJECTS only. Let's look at Isaiah 2.

1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations

Here we have the prophecy of Jesus, King of the whole earth. The Church was not revealed to the Old Testament prophets so the "New Man" is not spoken of, but our Lord Jesus will live in Jerusalem and rule from there. His House will be a place of prayer. Israel will serve this House as SUBJECTS of the Lord (seeing as they lost the Kingdom (Matt.21:43).