When was Jesus Christ born?

[WilliamL]

September 25, 7 B.C. Rosh Hashanah on the autumn equinox.

[DeighAnn]

It all gets reckoned from 

Luke 1:5 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.

Luke 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

Luke 1:9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

Luke 1:10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

Luke 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 1:12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.


That John being John the Baptist

Who was 6 months older than Jesus.  

John conceived June 24 in  5 BC 23 Sivan
Jesus begotten Dec 25 5 BC 1 Tebeth
John born March 28 4 BC 7 Nisan
Jesus born Sept 29 4 BC  15 Tisri

The 'course of Abia'  the 8th priestly course has  very specific dates from which to work with.  Taking into consideration the traditions and travel times...


 

[Spiros]

On 9/18/2022 at 4:41 PM, other one said:

Doctor Michael Heiser agrees with me on September 11,3 BC.

September 11: Happy Birthday to Jesus - Dr. Michael Heiser (drmsh.com)         Details of why can be found in this URL address.

According to Stellarium, On September 9, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 29.4 days old (Waning Crescent). On September 10, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 0.8 days old (Waxing Crescent). On September 9, 3 BC the moon was close to the Sun having an ecliptic longitude of 162.59° while the Sun's was 163.9°. This means that Rosh Hashanah took place on September 10, 3BC. September 11 is thus the second day of the Jewish Lunar year. September 12 is the third day of the Jewish year. This leads us to pick September 12 as the day Jesus was born. Jesus was resurrected on the third day after His crucifixion. We thus see the 3 number, the number of the Holy Trinity showing up. Also the 12 number points to the 12 Apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel. 

From:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology

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Twelve. Reflects the 12 lunar months in a lunar year and refers to completeness, often associated with the people of God. There are twelve tribes of Israel and Jesus made the decision to have twelve apostles.

 

And another thing. When Jesus was born, whether it is 11 or 12 September, planet Jupiter was very close to the star Regulus(synod). We thus have the planet which is the largest of the planets of our solar system, the "king planet" who related to the Greek god, Zeus who was king of the 12 gods(Dodecatheon). We then have the King star the brightest star of the Leo constellation that relates to the Lion of Judah. This close encounter led the three Wise Men to consider that a king of the Jews would be born. So it turns out that September 12 was a Thursday, where Thursday is the day of Jupiter. If Jesus were born on September 11 He would have been born on the day of Mercury. This is another piece of information that lends credence to the September 12 3 BC theory.    

 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

According to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology

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Forty. Represents a generation or a full period of time. David and Solomon each ruled over all of Israel for 40 years. Moses was associated with 40 several times: he was 40-years-old when he was exiled from Egypt, he returned 40 years later to lead the Hebrews out of captivity, spent 40 days atop Mount Sinai, spent 40 years with the Hebrews wandering in the desert, and so forth. Goliath challenged the Israelites for 40 days before David killed him. Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert for 40 days. Jesus remained in Jerusalem and Galilee for 40 days before his ascension.

It is estimated that on average childbirth takes place 40 weeks after a woman's last menstruation. This time period is equal to 280 days. If we measure 280 days before the birth of Jesus on September 12, 3 BC, we end up with the date December 6, 4 BC. Since it is a whole number of weeks, we are once again on a Thursday(day of Jupiter(King)).

 

But Saint Nicholas passed away exactly 346 years after this date.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

 

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Saint Nicholas of Myra (traditionally 15 March 270 – 6 December 343), also known as Nicholas of Bari, was an early Christian bishop of Greek descent from the maritime city of Myra in Asia Minor (Greek: Μύρα; modern-day Demre, Turkey) during the time of the Roman Empire.

His reputation evolved among the pious, as was common for early Christian saints, and his legendary habit of secret gift-giving gave rise to the traditional model of Santa Claus ("Saint Nick") through Sinterklaas.

 

[other one]

1 hour ago, Spiros said:

According to Stellarium, On September 9, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 29.4 days old (Waning Crescent). On September 10, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 0.8 days old (Waxing Crescent). On September 9, 3 BC the moon was close to the Sun having an ecliptic longitude of 162.59° while the Sun's was 163.9°. This means that Rosh Hashanah took place on September 10, 3BC. September 11 is thus the second day of the Jewish Lunar year. September 12 is the third day of the Jewish year. This leads us to pick September 12 as the day Jesus was born. Jesus was resurrected on the third day after His crucifixion. We thus see the 3 number, the number of the Holy Trinity showing up. Also the 12 number points to the 12 Apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel. 

From:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology

 

And another thing. When Jesus was born, whether it is 11 or 12 September, planet Jupiter was very close to the star Regulus(synod). We thus have the planet which is the largest of the planets of our solar system, the "king planet" who related to the Greek god, Zeus who was king of the 12 gods(Dodecatheon). We then have the King star the brightest star of the Leo constellation that relates to the Lion of Judah. This close encounter led the three Wise Men to consider that a king of the Jews would be born. So it turns out that September 12 was a Thursday, where Thursday is the day of Jupiter. If Jesus were born on September 11 He would have been born on the day of Mercury. This is another piece of information that lends credence to the September 12 3 BC theory.    

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Star-That-Astonished-World/dp/0945657889/ref=sr_1_1?crid=38GN09ZZL53MG&keywords=the+star+that+astonished+the+world&qid=1663878246&sprefix=the+star+that%2Caps%2C147&sr=8-1

[Spiros]

2 hours ago, other one said:

https://www.amazon.com/Star-That-Astonished-World/dp/0945657889/ref=sr_1_1?crid=38GN09ZZL53MG&keywords=the+star+that+astonished+the+world&qid=1663878246&sprefix=the+star+that%2Caps%2C147&sr=8-1

This link titled "The Birth of Jesus and the Day of Trumpets" has the proposed date of the birth of Jesus. But it does not agree with the astronomical data. I don't know what astronomy software or source Dr. Ernest L. Martin used.

 

https://www.askelm.com/star/star008.htm

[other one]

17 minutes ago, Spiros said:

This link titled "The Birth of Jesus and the Day of Trumpets" has the proposed date of the birth of Jesus. But it does not agree with the astronomical data. I don't know what astronomy software or source Dr. Ernest L. Martin used.

 

https://www.askelm.com/star/star008.htm

NASA according to the book

[DeighAnn]

21 hours ago, Spiros said:

According to Stellarium, On September 9, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 29.4 days old (Waning Crescent). On September 10, 3 BC at Noon at Bethlehem the Moon is 0.8 days old (Waxing Crescent). On September 9, 3 BC the moon was close to the Sun having an ecliptic longitude of 162.59° while the Sun's was 163.9°. This means that Rosh Hashanah took place on September 10, 3BC. September 11 is thus the second day of the Jewish Lunar year. September 12 is the third day of the Jewish year. This leads us to pick September 12 as the day Jesus was born. Jesus was resurrected on the third day after His crucifixion. We thus see the 3 number, the number of the Holy Trinity showing up. Also the 12 number points to the 12 Apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel. 

From:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology

 

And another thing. When Jesus was born, whether it is 11 or 12 September, planet Jupiter was very close to the star Regulus(synod). We thus have the planet which is the largest of the planets of our solar system, the "king planet" who related to the Greek god, Zeus who was king of the 12 gods(Dodecatheon). We then have the King star the brightest star of the Leo constellation that relates to the Lion of Judah. This close encounter led the three Wise Men to consider that a king of the Jews would be born. So it turns out that September 12 was a Thursday, where Thursday is the day of Jupiter. If Jesus were born on September 11 He would have been born on the day of Mercury. This is another piece of information that lends credence to the September 12 3 BC theory.    

 

 

What have you got for when He was begotten and began to 'dwell amongst us' back in December?  

 

[Spiros]

This calculation uses the geocentric latitude of Jerusalem.

 

According to Wikipedia:

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Geocentric latitude (also known as spherical latitude, after the 3D polar angle): the angle between the radius (from center to the point on the surface) and the equatorial plane. There is no standard notation: examples from various texts include θ, ψ, q, ϕ′, ϕc, ϕg.

In the screen-shot an online tool is used to convert from geodetic to geocentric latitude.

 

I use the geographical coordinates of the Cenacle. According to Wikipedia:

 

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The Cenacle (from the Latin cēnāculum, "dining room"), also known as the Upper Room (from the Koine Greek anagaion and hyperōion, both meaning "upper room"), is a room in Mount Zion in Jerusalem, just outside the Old City walls, traditionally held to be the site of the Last Supper, the final meal that, in the Gospel accounts, Jesus held with the apostles. According to the Christian Bible, the Cenacle was a place in which the apostles continued to gather after the Last Supper, and it was also the site where the Holy Spirit alighted upon the eleven apostles on Pentecost.

In the Bible account of the ascension of Jesus we read about Bethany. The Tomb of Lazarus at Bethany has a latitude which is practically identical to that of the Cenacle. So we can use either place. It turns out that the geocentric latitude is equal to 31 plus  three fifths of a degree. Just like in the case of the geodetic latitude of Bethlehem I use a 365 day year. If the starting date is September 12, 3 BC then the ending date is April 10, 30 AD. This is Easter Monday. If the starting date is September 11, 3 BC then the ending date is April 9, 30 AD. This is Easter Sunday, the day of Jesus Christ's resurrection.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/2SDvNfKB/Birth-2-Ressurection-Monday01.jpg

Edited September 23, 2022 by Spiros

[Spiros]

Another revelation:

 

The geographical coordinates of Nazareth through the geodetic latitude encompass the time period between the birth of Jesus and the 1 year passing from his ascension to the heavens.

 

The first picture refers to the September 12, 3 BC birth hypothesis. It uses the geographical coordinates of the Basilica of the Annunciation at Nazareth.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/RVYjG4XK/Birth-2-1year-Ascension-Sep12.jpg

 

The second picture refers to the September 11, 3 BC birth hypothesis. It uses the geographical coordinates of the Greek Orthodox Church of the Annunciation at Nazareth.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/prpsnnN7/Birth-2-1year-Ascension-Sep11.jpg

 

The methodology has not changed, I used a 365 day year.

 

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Spiros